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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes in.
Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes
in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you
want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a style based application. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Rachel King wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor
I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier. "Graham Mayor" wrote: Word doesn't format using codes - it is a style based application. If you want codes to reveal, stick to Word Perfect. If you want to use Word you'll have to forget all about the way you worked in WP and learn how to use a style based application. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org Rachel King wrote: Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word:
Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are unwilling to take the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should stick to using Word Pad. You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll miss out on a lot of raw power. In the (short) long term spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message ... Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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If I didn't know that *I* didn't write what you just did...I'd think I
did!g Those would all be my exact works...you even swiped my "kicking and screaming" mantra!wink & smirk Dian D. Chapman, Technical Consultant Microsoft MVP, MOS Certified Editor/TechTrax Ezine Free MS Tutorials: http://www.mousetrax.com/techtrax Free Word eBook: http://www.mousetrax.com/books.html Optimize your business docs: http://www.mousetrax.com/consulting Learn VBA the easy way: http://www.mousetrax.com/techcourses.html On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 15:05:46 -0700, Hague2 wrote: As a previous Word Perfect user, I also loved reveal codes. As an instructor I was forced to cross over to Word. I did it kicking and screaming. And now, I wouldn't go back. I remember how difficult it was teaching reveal codes. Actually finding and correcting problems in Word is much easier. |
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Yes to all of the replies.
PLUS, toggle on the "Show/Hide ¶" button. It will reveal much and make formatting easier. Gordo "Charles Kenyon" wrote in message ... Here is some general info on moving from Word Perfect to Word: Word and Word Perfect work very differently from one another. Each program's methods have strengths and weaknesses; but, if you try to use one of these programs as if it were the other, it is like pushing on a string! You can easily make a lot of extra work for yourself. If you are unwilling to take the time to learn to use Word's methods, you should stick to using Word Pad. You'll have a lot less grief, although you'll miss out on a lot of raw power. In the (short) long term spending the time to learn Word will save you time if you are spending any time at all (more than an hour a day) using Word. See http://www.addbalance.com/word/wordperfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...ordPerfect.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...AndGotchas.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/General/RevealCodes.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Genera...Converters.htm http://businesssoft.about.com/comput.../blconvert.htm for information on Word for Word Perfect users. For mo http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart2.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...platePart1.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/templates.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Number...gExplained.htm http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm http://www.mvps.org/word/FAQs/Custom...latesStore.htm Function Keys In Word 2000 (or later) You can get the function keys to display in a special toolbar at the bottom of the screen if you want (something like pressing F3 twice in WP). The following macro will do this. Sub ShowMeFunctionKeys() Commandbars("Function Key Display").Visible = True End Sub Word's Extend key (F8) gives something similar to block processing. Formatting and Styles Learn about Styles - really learn! http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/styles.htm I resisted for years and now regret every day of those years because although that string was still very hard to push, it kept getting longer and longer, and had some very important projects tied to it! Once you understand styles and the Word concept of organizing things into Chinese boxes everything falls into place and instead of pushing a string, you can push a button that turns on the very powerful text processing machine known as Microsoft Word and it will start doing your work for you instead of running around behind you trying to undo what you just thought you did. Converting documents Word / Word Perfect Some special characters in Word Perfect documents don't convert well to Word. There is a macro to assist with this described at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/...html#macroword and can be found at http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/WPSymbolConv.bas. This was prepared by Edward Mendelson. Otherwise, look at the macro from http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=212396 Use these on _copies_! As for converting documents from Word Perfect to _use_ in Word... In a word, don't plan on it. I would not recommend using converted documents long-term. They will be filled with formatting anomolies that will get you at the worst time. This is especially true of any documents containing automatic numbering or bullets. Try recreating form documents in Word using the following process: In Word Perfect (if you still have it, in Word if not) save your files as text files. Use your converted files as references to show you how you want your formatting to look. Create a new document in Word and insert the text from the text file. Save this new document as a Word template. Format it the way you want using styles, not direct formatting. Save it again. To use a template within Word, use File = New and pick your template. This will create a new document for you. Merge documents have special problems and should be recreated from text files or retyped in Word. To convert data files, consider generating labels in WP as a document, converting that to Word, and then using http://www.gmayor.com/convert_labels...mail_merge.htm to get a new Word data file. Note that conversions usually do create documents that look passable and print OK; the problems I'm referring to have to do with editing / making changes, that is, using the documents long-term. (See below on reusing documents vs. using templates.) Conversion back to Word Perfect: There is a problem (in addition to the ones mentioned for conversion _to_ Word) with Version 2002 (XP) and later of Word. The conversion file only works for conversion _to_ Word, not from Word to Word Perfect! Earlier versions went both ways. To fix this, you need to find the old conversion file WPFT532.CNV from a Word 97 or Word 2000 installation and copy it to your new installation, replacing the file of the same name. Note, the change making the file one-way was done as a security measure. While I don't know of any problems the old file causes, keep the new installation's file somewhere as a backup just in case. Boilerplate and Forms In WP a lot of people use macros to hold chunks of text - boilerplate. In Word this function is filled by Templates, AutoText and AutoCorrect, not macros. Follow the links at http://addbalance.com/word/wordwebre...s.htm#AutoText for more information on these tools. You can use FILLIN and ASK fields or UserForms to query the user. For some form documents, Word's "online forms" work very well. For more about online forms, follow the links at http://word.mvps.org/FAQs/Customizat...nTheBlanks.htm especially Dian Chapman's series of articles. Reusing Documents vs. Using templates General practice in WP is to have a document and copy and edit it to create a new document. This is not good practice in Word. In Word, construct a good, tight, template for your documents and use that template when constructing new documents. Among other things, this can avoid embarrassing "metadata" (http://www.addbalance.com/usersguide/metadata.htm) and things like surprise headers and footers from creeping into new documents. It's a lot of reading, I know. It's OK to chunk it down and do a bit each day, but I would recommend that you make it a top priority to do that bit each day. In the (short) long run, it will save you both time and grief. -- Charles Kenyon Word New User FAQ & Web Directory: http://addbalance.com/word Intermediate User's Guide to Microsoft Word (supplemented version of Microsoft's Legal Users' Guide) http://addbalance.com/usersguide See also the MVP FAQ: http://www.mvps.org/word which is awesome! --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- This message is posted to a newsgroup. Please post replies and questions to the newsgroup so that others can learn from my ignorance and your wisdom. "Rachel King" Rachel wrote in message ... Help. Please urge Microsoft to give us "REVEAL CODES" like the reveal codes in Corel's WORD PERFECT not the "reveal codes" in Microsoft Word. Microsoft words' reveal codes is worthless -- it only shows some codes, That's why I still love Corel's Word Perfect because when we have a problem with formatting or anything we can turn on "reveal codes" and we can see every single code and we can try to delete various codes to ascertain what is causing the problem. I still don't know how or why some key strokes cause different effects and if we had "reveal codes" which would reveal ALL codes, we could figure out what causes problems on our own. We need to be able to troubleshoot ourselves and we cannot so long as we do not have reveal codes! |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes in.
Dear Rachel
I am six months late, and this is an older question but... There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise possible using the word GUI. The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window" or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it. It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it myself. Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking about please let me know. Tim |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes in.
I think the application you are looking for is 'Cross Eyes for Word'
http://www.levitjames.com/. However, unlike Word Perfect, Word does not format with codes, but uses styles, so frankly I do not see how this is going to help. -- Graham Mayor - Word MVP My web site www.gmayor.com Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org timtak wrote: Dear Rachel I am six months late, and this is an older question but... There is or was some software - a Word macro I think - that showed reveal codes. I found it crashed my Japanese system but it did show codes and it did allow one to make changes that were not otherwise possible using the word GUI. The software was called "back door" or "back office" or "back window" or something using "back" but I can't seem to find it. It was shareware. I am not trying to sell it. I did not purchase it myself. Now that I am having a bit of a problem with word I would like to see into my document however, so if anyone knows the software I am talking about please let me know. Tim |
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Please give us REVEAL CODES like WORD PERFECT not reveal codes
Aha, I found it, it is called crosseyes, not "back" anything.
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