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Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in :


I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" wrote in message
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Bob Quintal wrote in
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"David W. Fenton" wrote in
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Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in
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Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their
Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

Due to popular demand we removed the javascript today. Be sure to clear
your cache if you are going to look. But damn!, removing the javascript
didn't increase the amount of the content, nor its quality.
Error reports will be great and fully received!

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

"Lyle Fairfield" wrote in message
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Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in
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I for one would like to see you content but dispite having Java enabled
still cannot see you link

could you please post the url of your download page so i can get to it,

thanks

Dave

"Lyle Fairfield" wrote in message
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Bob Quintal wrote in
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"David W. Fenton" wrote in
28.74:

Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in
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Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on
http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility
that some older browser or some cached page may not show the
links. The links are manifested as images are instantiated
through Javascript. One of those conditions might account for
their being invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

I suppose those who have javascript disabled will have to get their
Outlook
Express code in some site with more content.

http://ffdba.com/downloads/Send_Mail...ok_Express.dat

Due to popular demand we removed the javascript today. Be sure to clear
your cache if you are going to look. But damn!, removing the javascript
didn't increase the amount of the content, nor its quality.
Error reports will be great and fully received!

I liked it better the other way, but the vocal minority seems to rule these
days.

Your associates have disappeared.

"David W. Fenton" wrote in
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Bob Quintal wrote in
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"David W. Fenton" wrote in
28.74:

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Actually, I would disagree.

Javascript has several useful functions to do things
client-side that can't be done in any other way:


You are absolutely correct in saying that javascript has uses.
That takes nothing away from my comment. I see an awful lot of
awful javascript doing awfully useless things. I use Opera as my
primary browser, and if I have it report JS errors, I can't go
more than three or four sites before getting a slew of errors.

1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them
for the "more information" links.

Requested popups good. Spam popups bad. And 9 out of every 10
popups I see are not requested.


2. form validation -- since I believe that you should validate
data as it's entered, it's better to do this client-side,
rather than sending a complete form's data back to the server
for validation.

I'll buy this reason.

There are other uses.

But populating the user interface is not one of them. Using
Javascript for that is as bad as the increasing practice of
using Flash for navigation.


Bob Quintal

Bob Quintal wrote in
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"David W. Fenton" wrote in
28.86:

Bob Quintal wrote in
s.com:

"David W. Fenton" wrote in
28.74:

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without
scripting is bloody stupid web page design.

I fully agree. Most use of javascript is to make a good
presentation, as compensation for a lack of content.

Actually, I would disagree.

Javascript has several useful functions to do things
client-side that can't be done in any other way:


You are absolutely correct in saying that javascript has uses.
That takes nothing away from my comment. I see an awful lot of
awful javascript doing awfully useless things. I use Opera as my
primary browser, and if I have it report JS errors, I can't go
more than three or four sites before getting a slew of errors.

1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them
for the "more information" links.

Requested popups good. Spam popups bad. And 9 out of every 10
popups I see are not requested.


2. form validation -- since I believe that you should validate
data as it's entered, it's better to do this client-side,
rather than sending a complete form's data back to the server
for validation.

I'll buy this reason.

There are other uses.

But populating the user interface is not one of them. Using
Javascript for that is as bad as the increasing practice of
using Flash for navigation.

Perhaps you and David could post the urls of those really great sites you
have created?

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

"rkc" wrote in news:3cOvc.119140
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I liked it better the other way, but the vocal minority seems to rule these
days.

In response to your comment I changed portfolio and downloads so they show
in-page.

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/)

"David W. Fenton" wrote in message
28.74...
Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in
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Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that
some older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The
links are manifested as images are instantiated through
Javascript. One of those conditions might account for their being
invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without scripting is
bloody stupid web page design.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Looking at the JScript behind the pages:

script language=javascript
!--
if(navigator.appName=='Microsoft Internet Explorer'){

snip FLASH code here

}
else{
document.writeln('img src=images/ffdba.png');

}

The people who are seeing a problem probably have a navigator.AppName that
is not "Microsoft Internet Explorer" and are just seeing that .PNG file
(which is all I can see, and I am running the absolute latest version of
IE).


--
MichKa [MS]
NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Development
Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies

This posting is provided "AS IS" with
no warranties, and confers no rights.


"Austin Griswold" wrote in message
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"David W. Fenton" wrote in message
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Lyle Fairfield wrote in
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"Dave" wrote in
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Sarcasm is great, but there are no links on http://ffdba.com/

I test on IE and Mozilla. I suppose there's a possibility that
some older browser or some cached page may not show the links. The
links are manifested as images are instantiated through
Javascript. One of those conditions might account for their being
invisible.

Using Javascript to do things that can be done without scripting is
bloody stupid web page design.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

Chuck Grimsby wrote in
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:20:37 GMT, "David W. Fenton"
wrote:

Javascript has several useful functions to do things client-side
that can't be done in any other way:
1. pop-up windows -- I'm not against requested pop-ups. The
perfect use of pop-ups is on Dell's site, where they use them for
the "more information" links.

Pop-up windows where users have to click on something to open the
window does not require javascript. Plain old HTML is all that's
needed.

Can you control the style of the window with windows opened in that
fashion? That is, sizing the window, removing the browser toolbar
and menu, and so forth?

See http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/a.html for
more information, most notably the "TARGET" portion of the tag.

There's nothing mentioned here or in the W3C's documentation
(http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/links.html) about styling
the window with TARGET.

Indeed, it appears from the W3C docmentation that the chief purpose
of TARGET is for use with frames, where window characteristics are
predefined, since the frame is a child window.

Indeed, it appears that the behavior of TARGET is under discussion:

http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-css3-hyperlinks-20040224/

But even there, I see no discussion of positioning or sizing or
removal of browser chrome/toolbars, etc.

Another point is that even if TARGET were to allow the specification
of such attributes, it would not really allow the same kind of
centralization of code that Javascript allows. A single piece of
code could be used to launch all popups, whereas with the TARGET
attribute, you'd have to specify all the other attributes inline,
with each link. Well, I guess you could use CSS for that, but it's
not clear to me that CSS can control all of the attributes that
Javascript can control.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc