Option Group Label Issue

Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user is looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there is no need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on the form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the default label for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it was no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the control was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I want the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label of the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label and created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can see the line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I can't find any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the label back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent the gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

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of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes' and I use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that all may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the default label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it was no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the control was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label of the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can see the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I can't find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option is selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their auto-harvesters out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes' and I use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that all may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pÃ*¹e v diskusnÃ*m pøÃ*spìvku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the default label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it was no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the control was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label of the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can see the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I can't find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels to stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same results as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels and put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame invisible and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes' and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

I like the rectangle solution. I think I'll have to go with that. I can't
seem to get the two labels to work properly.

Thanks for the idea though. Never would have thought of that.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels to stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same results as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels and put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame invisible and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pÃ*¹e v diskusnÃ*m pøÃ*spìvku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes' and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

You're welcome. Glad it helped.

--
Pete

"Jay" pí¹e v diskusním pøíspìvku
...
I like the rectangle solution. I think I'll have to go with that. I
can't
seem to get the two labels to work properly.

Thanks for the idea though. Never would have thought of that.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels to
stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same results
as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label
completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels and
put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are
possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame invisible
and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move
to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their
auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes'
and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that
all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user
is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there
is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on
the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the
default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted
the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it
was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the
control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label
of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label
and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a
radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can
see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I
can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent
the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

Would it work for you if the option group background was transparent?

"Peter Danes" wrote:

You're welcome. Glad it helped.

--
Pete

"Jay" pÃ*¹e v diskusnÃ*m pøÃ*spìvku
...
I like the rectangle solution. I think I'll have to go with that. I
can't
seem to get the two labels to work properly.

Thanks for the idea though. Never would have thought of that.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels to
stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same results
as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label
completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels and
put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are
possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame invisible
and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and Move
to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their
auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am 'pdanes'
and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so that
all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the user
is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as there
is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable controls on
the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the
default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I deleted
the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since it
was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the
control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to label
of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that label
and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on a
radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I can
see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I
can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to prevent
the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

Karl, even when the background is transparent, the border line comes to the
front when something in the group is selected. If the label Jay was playing
with crosses the top or bottom border, whenever the group becomes active,
the label would have a line through it. If it crosses the left or right
border, it might be possible to position things so that the line runs
between two letters without tromping on them, maybe by having a space in the
text there.

With a non-transparent background, you could make the label in two parts,
one right next to the group and the other just inside the border, aligned so
that they looked like one. But I didn't think to ask Jay if his background
was transparent - if not, then whatever part of the label was under the
option group would disappear completely when the group received focus. The
one I experimented with I set to transparent, I assumed Jay's was as well,
but maybe not, and that might have been enough to solve his problem.

The technique of cutting the label into two parts could still be used with a
non-transparent background, but sometimes it's easier to turn off all such
graphic 'helpers' by making them transparent or invisible and create your
own.

--
Pete

"KARL DEWEY" pí¹e v diskusním
pøíspìvku ...
Would it work for you if the option group background was transparent?

"Peter Danes" wrote:

You're welcome. Glad it helped.

--
Pete

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
I like the rectangle solution. I think I'll have to go with that. I
can't
seem to get the two labels to work properly.

Thanks for the idea though. Never would have thought of that.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in
front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible
command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels
to
stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same
results
as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label
completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels
and
put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line
goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are
possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame
invisible
and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option
is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and
Move
to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their
auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am
'pdanes'
and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so
that
all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pí1e v diskusním poíspivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have
a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a
form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form
is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the
user
is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as
there
is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable
controls on
the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the
default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I
deleted
the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since
it
was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the
control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option
group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to
label
of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that
label
and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on
a
radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I
can
see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I
can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get
the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to
prevent
the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay

For what it's worth, the option group background had been transparent.

I didn't think to change the option group background at all, but Peter's
solution worked great. I just created a rectangle around the option group
and set the border of the option group to none. Then i shrank the option
group size by one grid point on each side, so the option group sat inside the
rectangle.

That worked like charm. I might look into the background ideas though.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Karl, even when the background is transparent, the border line comes to the
front when something in the group is selected. If the label Jay was playing
with crosses the top or bottom border, whenever the group becomes active,
the label would have a line through it. If it crosses the left or right
border, it might be possible to position things so that the line runs
between two letters without tromping on them, maybe by having a space in the
text there.

With a non-transparent background, you could make the label in two parts,
one right next to the group and the other just inside the border, aligned so
that they looked like one. But I didn't think to ask Jay if his background
was transparent - if not, then whatever part of the label was under the
option group would disappear completely when the group received focus. The
one I experimented with I set to transparent, I assumed Jay's was as well,
but maybe not, and that might have been enough to solve his problem.

The technique of cutting the label into two parts could still be used with a
non-transparent background, but sometimes it's easier to turn off all such
graphic 'helpers' by making them transparent or invisible and create your
own.

--
Pete

"KARL DEWEY" pÃ*¹e v diskusnÃ*m
pøÃ*spìvku ...
Would it work for you if the option group background was transparent?

"Peter Danes" wrote:

You're welcome. Glad it helped.

--
Pete

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
I like the rectangle solution. I think I'll have to go with that. I
can't
seem to get the two labels to work properly.

Thanks for the idea though. Never would have thought of that.

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

Hmm, it looks like Access insists on having the active control in
front.
I've used the Move to Front/Back for combinations of invisible
command
buttons and labels behind, but in that case I always want the labels
to
stay
behind, so it isn't an issue. Playing with it now I see the same
results
as
you describe for an option group border. Can you put the label
completely
inside the option group? If not, can you cut it up into two labels
and
put
one label inside and one outside, but positioned so that the line
goes
between letters and it looks like one label? If none of those are
possible,
maybe the easiest thing to do is make the option group's frame
invisible
and
draw your own rectangle, then use Move to Back on that.

--
Pete

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
It works when the form is first loaded, but as soon as an option
is
selected,
the label returns to behind the frame.

Thanks for that though, I didn't think about using that 'Move to
Front/Back'

Jay

"Peter Danes" wrote:

In Design View, bottom of the Format menu has Move to Front and
Move
to
Back. Will those do what you need?

--
Pete

This e-mail address is fake to keep spammers and their
auto-harvesters
out
of my hair. If you need to get in touch personally, I am
'pdanes'
and I
use
Yahoo mail. But please use the newsgroups whenever possible, so
that
all
may
benefit from the exchange of ideas.

"Jay" pÃ*1e v diskusnÃ*m poÃ*spivku
...
Hi all,

I have an appearance issue that I can't seem to solve. I have
a
number of
checkboxes, listboxes, combo boxes and one option group on a
form.

If the user selects on particular option, the rest of the form
is
disabled.
The form is to allow the user to perfrom a search, but if the
user
is
looking
for a particular item number, then the rest os disabled as
there
is no
need
to further refine the search.

So I created code to disable/enable all the applicable
controls on
the
form.
But for the combo/check/list boxes, I didn't like that the
default
label
for
the control was also greyed out when it was disabled, so I
deleted
the
default label, and recreated it (same name/caption), but since
it
was
no
longer connected to the control, it wasn't greyed out when the
control
was
disabled.

For all controls it seems to work, except for the option
group. I
want
the
radio buttons (and labels) to be greyed out, but I wanted to
label
of
the
group (frame) to not be greyed out, so I also deleted that
label
and
created
a new one.

My problem is, when the option group is enabled, if I click on
a
radio
button, the frame seems to move in front of the label, so I
can
see
the
line
of the frame OVER the label.

Now I don't know if there's a way to move it to the front? I
can't
find
any
property to do that. Or, if I need to remake the frame to get
the
label
back
(and have it connected to the frame), is there a way to
prevent
the
gerying
out if the option group (frame) is disabled.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Jay