support scenario for vista and office 2007

no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that doesnt look
like button you should press, rather a logo of the program.

no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
instructions via telephone
with this stupid 2007 interface...

let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:

Support Helpdesk

On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..

on Vista :
-Go to start.
- I see no start anywhere...
- Oh you are using Vista?
-Yeah...Im new to computers....
-Ok great...see the perl?
-what perl?
-that round thing with a flag in it...
-Where? I dont see no flag...
-In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that has 4
colors inside..
-Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl? It
doesnt look like a perl....
-Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!


Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
ribbon.....

its gonna be a circus!!!!

Take your valium and go to bed like a good patient - I am sure the morning
nurses will have stronger meds for you then.

--�
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, John Jay Smith asked:

| no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that
| doesnt look like button you should press, rather a logo of the
| program.
|
| no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
| instructions via telephone
| with this stupid 2007 interface...
|
| let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:
|
| Support Helpdesk
|
| On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..
|
| on Vista :
| -Go to start.
| - I see no start anywhere...
| - Oh you are using Vista?
| -Yeah...Im new to computers....
| -Ok great...see the perl?
| -what perl?
| -that round thing with a flag in it...
| -Where? I dont see no flag...
| -In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that
| has 4 colors inside..
| -Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl?
| It doesnt look like a perl....
| -Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!
|
|
| Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
| ribbon.....
|
| its gonna be a circus!!!!

Take your valium and go to bed like a good patient - I am sure the morning
nurses will have stronger meds for you then.


Another limited view from a limited mind. Just because its night over there
does not mean its
night over here... gesshhhh Earth is a sphere you know! (do you?) And I dont
take Valium...

You apply this flexibity of thought when you use GUI's like Office2007?
No wonder you like em! Point n click, no time to think!

You are wrapping that ribbon arround your eyes.. and using the perl for
earplugs..





"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
wrote in message
...
Take your valium and go to bed like a good patient - I am sure the morning
nurses will have stronger meds for you then.

--�
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. All
unsolicited mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without
reading.

After furious head scratching, John Jay Smith asked:

| no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that
| doesnt look like button you should press, rather a logo of the
| program.
|
| no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
| instructions via telephone
| with this stupid 2007 interface...
|
| let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:
|
| Support Helpdesk
|
| On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..
|
| on Vista :
| -Go to start.
| - I see no start anywhere...
| - Oh you are using Vista?
| -Yeah...Im new to computers....
| -Ok great...see the perl?
| -what perl?
| -that round thing with a flag in it...
| -Where? I dont see no flag...
| -In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that
| has 4 colors inside..
| -Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl?
| It doesnt look like a perl....
| -Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!
|
|
| Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
| ribbon.....
|
| its gonna be a circus!!!!

Dear Mr. John Jay Smith,

I haven't quite decided if you are a merely a troll or if you are
actually attempting to have a intellectual discussion on Office 2007.

If you are nothing more than a troll then there is nothing you need to
change but do note we'll no longer feed you in this newsgroup.

If you are attempting to have an intellectual discussion on what you
view as failing points for Office 2007 then jumping to conclusions and
making uneducated observations is not the route to take. For example,
if you want to have a discussion on how to describe the Microsoft
Office Button then why not simply ask how others have described it?

In regards to the Windows Vista Start Button, I'd say most users have
seen the Windows logo on the button for some time now and just because
the text is no longer being used doesn't mean the visual association
has changed. Besides, the concept of using an image instead of text,
or image and text, was introduced long ago.

Now the rest is up to you, will it be: intellectual discussion or
ignored?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that
doesnt look like button you should press, rather a logo of the
program.

no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
instructions via telephone
with this stupid 2007 interface...

let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:

Support Helpdesk

On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..

on Vista :
-Go to start.
- I see no start anywhere...
- Oh you are using Vista?
-Yeah...Im new to computers....
-Ok great...see the perl?
-what perl?
-that round thing with a flag in it...
-Where? I dont see no flag...
-In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing
that has 4 colors inside..
-Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl?
It doesnt look like a perl....
-Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!


Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
ribbon.....

its gonna be a circus!!!!

Whats your problem joe?

I dont like office 2007 GUI design and I am stating all the reasons why...
I think its a bad design! Cant handle the criticism? You want people to
tickle your
ears...? You call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? How clever!

This is a free and open NEWSGROUP. So I am posting NEWS..
NEWS that Office2007 GUI sucks.....

if you want to discuss this fine.. but it wont change the facts....

You MVPs seem to have some sort of problem...

You like microsoft so much you are compleatly blind about the horrible
mistakes its doing
in the designs of Vista, Office2007, IE and WMP...

I would expect microsoft to have the best people on the world working on the
GUI's of these programs that millions will use..
Instead they are doing mistakes only amatures should do!


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Dear Mr. John Jay Smith,

I haven't quite decided if you are a merely a troll or if you are actually
attempting to have a intellectual discussion on Office 2007.

If you are nothing more than a troll then there is nothing you need to
change but do note we'll no longer feed you in this newsgroup.

If you are attempting to have an intellectual discussion on what you view
as failing points for Office 2007 then jumping to conclusions and making
uneducated observations is not the route to take. For example, if you want
to have a discussion on how to describe the Microsoft Office Button then
why not simply ask how others have described it?

In regards to the Windows Vista Start Button, I'd say most users have seen
the Windows logo on the button for some time now and just because the text
is no longer being used doesn't mean the visual association has changed.
Besides, the concept of using an image instead of text, or image and text,
was introduced long ago.

Now the rest is up to you, will it be: intellectual discussion or ignored?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that doesnt
look like button you should press, rather a logo of the program.

no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
instructions via telephone
with this stupid 2007 interface...

let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:

Support Helpdesk

On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..

on Vista :
-Go to start.
- I see no start anywhere...
- Oh you are using Vista?
-Yeah...Im new to computers....
-Ok great...see the perl?
-what perl?
-that round thing with a flag in it...
-Where? I dont see no flag...
-In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that has
4 colors inside..
-Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl? It
doesnt look like a perl....
-Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!


Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
ribbon.....

its gonna be a circus!!!!

John Jay Smith

No MVPs don't have a problem....It's clearly you that has the problem as you
don't know how to present your feedback in a positive way... There is
nothing wrong with criticism if is presented in a positive way.....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
Whats your problem joe?

I dont like office 2007 GUI design and I am stating all the reasons why...
I think its a bad design! Cant handle the criticism? You want people to
tickle your
ears...? You call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? How clever!

This is a free and open NEWSGROUP. So I am posting NEWS..
NEWS that Office2007 GUI sucks.....

if you want to discuss this fine.. but it wont change the facts....

You MVPs seem to have some sort of problem...

You like microsoft so much you are compleatly blind about the horrible
mistakes its doing
in the designs of Vista, Office2007, IE and WMP...

I would expect microsoft to have the best people on the world working on
the GUI's of these programs that millions will use..
Instead they are doing mistakes only amatures should do!


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Dear Mr. John Jay Smith,

I haven't quite decided if you are a merely a troll or if you are
actually attempting to have a intellectual discussion on Office 2007.

If you are nothing more than a troll then there is nothing you need to
change but do note we'll no longer feed you in this newsgroup.

If you are attempting to have an intellectual discussion on what you view
as failing points for Office 2007 then jumping to conclusions and making
uneducated observations is not the route to take. For example, if you
want to have a discussion on how to describe the Microsoft Office Button
then why not simply ask how others have described it?

In regards to the Windows Vista Start Button, I'd say most users have
seen the Windows logo on the button for some time now and just because
the text is no longer being used doesn't mean the visual association has
changed. Besides, the concept of using an image instead of text, or image
and text, was introduced long ago.

Now the rest is up to you, will it be: intellectual discussion or
ignored?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that doesnt
look like button you should press, rather a logo of the program.

no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
instructions via telephone
with this stupid 2007 interface...

let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:

Support Helpdesk

On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..

on Vista :
-Go to start.
- I see no start anywhere...
- Oh you are using Vista?
-Yeah...Im new to computers....
-Ok great...see the perl?
-what perl?
-that round thing with a flag in it...
-Where? I dont see no flag...
-In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that
has 4 colors inside..
-Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl? It
doesnt look like a perl....
-Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!


Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
ribbon.....

its gonna be a circus!!!!

Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to
get the message across
and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake
from scratch.

If I was to say.. "gee guys... good job, but you know... perhaps it would be
better if...."

Ahhh noooo!..... no one will notice.... therefo The new OFFICE GUI is a
horrible
revolting, monstrous, hideous, abomination of super duper proportions!!!

Now... just because I say this does not mean I am not positive. You
mix up what seems like negative and what is truly negative.

If the MS office GUI team was smart they would listen and improve...

I wonder who originally thought of the stupid ribbon.. does anyone know? I
gotta tell him my 2 cents...

I like office... and I would like to see MS doing things that would
pleasantly surprise me...
not surprise me of how stupid it is!



"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
John Jay Smith

No MVPs don't have a problem....It's clearly you that has the problem as
you don't know how to present your feedback in a positive way... There is
nothing wrong with criticism if is presented in a positive way.....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com

Life would be easier if we could view the source code

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
Whats your problem joe?

I dont like office 2007 GUI design and I am stating all the reasons
why...
I think its a bad design! Cant handle the criticism? You want people to
tickle your
ears...? You call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? How clever!

This is a free and open NEWSGROUP. So I am posting NEWS..
NEWS that Office2007 GUI sucks.....

if you want to discuss this fine.. but it wont change the facts....

You MVPs seem to have some sort of problem...

You like microsoft so much you are compleatly blind about the horrible
mistakes its doing
in the designs of Vista, Office2007, IE and WMP...

I would expect microsoft to have the best people on the world working on
the GUI's of these programs that millions will use..
Instead they are doing mistakes only amatures should do!


"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
Dear Mr. John Jay Smith,

I haven't quite decided if you are a merely a troll or if you are
actually attempting to have a intellectual discussion on Office 2007.

If you are nothing more than a troll then there is nothing you need to
change but do note we'll no longer feed you in this newsgroup.

If you are attempting to have an intellectual discussion on what you
view as failing points for Office 2007 then jumping to conclusions and
making uneducated observations is not the route to take. For example, if
you want to have a discussion on how to describe the Microsoft Office
Button then why not simply ask how others have described it?

In regards to the Windows Vista Start Button, I'd say most users have
seen the Windows logo on the button for some time now and just because
the text is no longer being used doesn't mean the visual association has
changed. Besides, the concept of using an image instead of text, or
image and text, was introduced long ago.

Now the rest is up to you, will it be: intellectual discussion or
ignored?

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx

TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/
MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/

"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
no one has addressed the stupid Perl. Another stupid idea.. that doesnt
look like button you should press, rather a logo of the program.

no one has addressed how computer support people are going to give
instructions via telephone
with this stupid 2007 interface...

let me give you an example of what i mean with XP and Vista:

Support Helpdesk

On winXP: go to Start then all programs bla bla..

on Vista :
-Go to start.
- I see no start anywhere...
- Oh you are using Vista?
-Yeah...Im new to computers....
-Ok great...see the perl?
-what perl?
-that round thing with a flag in it...
-Where? I dont see no flag...
-In the lower left corner of your screen. That rectangular thing that
has 4 colors inside..
-Thats a flag? I dont think its a flag.. And you call this the Perl? It
doesnt look like a perl....
-Well JUST PRESS that DAMN THINGY!!!


Not take this and apply it to the perl in office and the horrible
ribbon.....

its gonna be a circus!!!!

Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on
purpose... to
get the message across
and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake
from scratch.
You are addressing the wrong audience. You are only talking with peers,
namely users like you. Microsoft doesn't check these newsgroups nor does
anyone of us work for Microsoft. The only people replying to your posts
are peers volunteering their time.
It would be nice and appropriate if you treated us with some respect and
post in a positive manner, as we are then more inclined to have a
discussion with you about this topic.
Just to be clear though: Microsoft won't ditch the ribbon for Office
2007 and most of what you see is going to stay the way it is or has been
announced right now.

Patrick Schmid
--------------
http://pschmid.net

Hi John,

To send feedback on your experience with the MS Office 2007 Beta product, bugs and suggested improvements *directly* to the
Microsoft Office 2007 Product team you can use the 2007 feedback tool from link #3 below.

The blog that Jensen Harris maintains is the MS Office User Interface (Ribbon et al) blog and you can also post comments and
questions there that will also go directly to that team
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh

==========
"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message ...
Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to
get the message across
and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake
from scratch.

If I was to say.. "gee guys... good job, but you know... perhaps it would be
better if...."

Ahhh noooo!..... no one will notice.... therefo The new OFFICE GUI is a
horrible
revolting, monstrous, hideous, abomination of super duper proportions!!!

Now... just because I say this does not mean I am not positive. You
mix up what seems like negative and what is truly negative.

If the MS office GUI team was smart they would listen and improve...

I wonder who originally thought of the stupid ribbon.. does anyone know? I
gotta tell him my 2 cents...

I like office... and I would like to see MS doing things that would
pleasantly surprise me...
not surprise me of how stupid it is!
--
I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office system products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends

LINKS to the 2007 Office System

1. Free MS Office 2007 book from MS Press, 213 pages:
http://microsoft.com/learning/office...oksfrommspress

2.. Office 2007 Beta 2 Online Test Drive, Downloadable beta,
e-learning courses, doucmentation and movies:
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

3. Send 2007 Office System Beta 2 feedback directly to the MS Office 2007 product team with this feedback tool:
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

4. Try the 2007 OfficeOnline preview website , without Office2007

a. Install the ActiveX access control
http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033

b. then visit
http://officebeta.iponet.net

thanks


"Bob Buckland ?:-)" 75214.226(At Beautiful Downtown)compuserve.com wrote
in message ...
Hi John,

To send feedback on your experience with the MS Office 2007 Beta product,
bugs and suggested improvements *directly* to the
Microsoft Office 2007 Product team you can use the 2007 feedback tool from
link #3 below.

The blog that Jensen Harris maintains is the MS Office User Interface
(Ribbon et al) blog and you can also post comments and
questions there that will also go directly to that team
http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh

==========
"John Jay Smith" - wrote in message
...
Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to
get the message across
and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake
from scratch.

If I was to say.. "gee guys... good job, but you know... perhaps it would
be
better if...."

Ahhh noooo!..... no one will notice.... therefo The new OFFICE GUI is a
horrible
revolting, monstrous, hideous, abomination of super duper proportions!!!

Now... just because I say this does not mean I am not positive. You
mix up what seems like negative and what is truly negative.

If the MS office GUI team was smart they would listen and improve...

I wonder who originally thought of the stupid ribbon.. does anyone know? I
gotta tell him my 2 cents...

I like office... and I would like to see MS doing things that would
pleasantly surprise me...
not surprise me of how stupid it is!
--
I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?:-)
MS Office system products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends

LINKS to the 2007 Office System

1. Free MS Office 2007 book from MS Press, 213 pages:
http://microsoft.com/learning/office...oksfrommspress

2.. Office 2007 Beta 2 Online Test Drive, Downloadable beta,
e-learning courses, doucmentation and movies:
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

3. Send 2007 Office System Beta 2 feedback directly to the MS Office 2007
product team with this feedback tool:
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

4. Try the 2007 OfficeOnline preview website , without Office2007

a. Install the ActiveX access control

http://office.microsoft.com/search/r...XT101650581033

b. then visit
http://officebeta.iponet.net