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  #11  
Old April 22nd, 2007, 10:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

I think Microsoft has already created the two alternative versions you wish;
the latter is Word 2003.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.

Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who
really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months
figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product
into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence,
then I'd have no problem with that.

Larry



"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.

I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like

and
the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a
little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from
proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am

actually
quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried)

offering
to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations.

I
will still do that if you are interested.

Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a
garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your

garage
or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and

requirement
and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of

users
and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune

is
made.



--
Greg Maxey/Word MVP
See:
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm
For some helpful tips using Word.


Larry wrote:
Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react
as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will
persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007
is.

Larry




"CS Hayes" wrote in message
...
FYI again

I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have
been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand
that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays
workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to
manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it
via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm
going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out.

Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool
bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language
compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a
lot of people would be interested in.
--
Chris Hayes
Still a beginner (only 12 years)


"Cindy M." wrote:

Hi Chris,

And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It
includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus
one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars,
and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be
floated.

What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including
where the toolbars are located - in individual documents.

It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume
licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY

http://www.toolbartoggle.com

For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more.

A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's
$29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html

Where there's a need there's a dollar.


Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17
2005) http://www.word.mvps.org

This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow
question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-)





  #12  
Old April 22nd, 2007, 11:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Beth Melton
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Posts: 2,566
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word
2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it
every chance you get.

I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one
to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a
catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use
it.

What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all.
Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any
new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using
the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with
Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash
commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster
than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse
I never looked back.

The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation
was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then
and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't
do this long ago.

I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no
air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes,
then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible
with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can
switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS,
and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking
the tires and making assumptions about it.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"Larry" wrote in message
...
That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.

Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who
really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months
figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic product
into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence,
then I'd have no problem with that.

Larry



"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.

I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like

and
the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a
little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from
proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually
quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried)
offering
to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I
will still do that if you are interested.

Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a
garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your
garage
or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement
and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users
and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is
made.



--
Greg Maxey/Word MVP
See:
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm
For some helpful tips using Word.


Larry wrote:
Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react
as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will
persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007
is.

Larry




"CS Hayes" wrote in message
...
FYI again

I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have
been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand
that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays
workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to
manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it
via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm
going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out.

Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool
bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language
compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a
lot of people would be interested in.
--
Chris Hayes
Still a beginner (only 12 years)


"Cindy M." wrote:

Hi Chris,

And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It
includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus
one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars,
and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be
floated.

What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including
where the toolbars are located - in individual documents.

It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume
licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY

http://www.toolbartoggle.com

For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more.

A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's
$29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html

Where there's a need there's a dollar.


Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17
2005) http://www.word.mvps.org

This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow
question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-)






  #13  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 05:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Stan Brown
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Posts: 536
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry :

"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.


That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.


I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's
spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing
but would have omitted "are beginning to".

Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about
the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you
devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as
you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as
you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
  #14  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 03:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Larry
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Posts: 151
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm
saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an
orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing
Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize
Word 2007 as I see fit.

Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone
knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to
change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual
pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on
using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's
programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word
2007 that has Word 2007's interface?

Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations"
which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group
there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of
parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that
group, where there is a lot of nastiness.

Larry


"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry :

"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007

is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.


That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a

software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.


I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's
spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing
but would have omitted "are beginning to".

Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about
the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you
devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as
you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as
you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/


  #15  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 04:17 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Larry
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Posts: 151
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

Beth, after you said that Word 2007 is really good once you get into it, I
asked you how you could justify certain features of Word 2007, such as the
fact that basic controls and dialogs, which used to be two simple steps away
from the user interface, are now several awkward steps away from the user
interface. You declined to reply, on the basis that it would be a waste of
breath because anything you said would not be persuasive to me. For you,
who refused to answer my questions and to defend your own position in this
discussion, to accuse me of making cheap shots for making the arguments for
which you had no answer, is ridiculous.




"Beth Melton" wrote in message
...
The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word
2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it
every chance you get.

I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were

one
to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a
catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to

use
it.

What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all.
Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any
new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been

using
the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting

with
Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash
commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work

faster
than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a

mouse
I never looked back.

The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command

nagivation
was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then
and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they

didn't
do this long ago.

I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no
air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes,
then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible
with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can
switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats,

GPS,
and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely

kicking
the tires and making assumptions about it.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton

"Larry" wrote in message
...
That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a

software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.

Hey, if MS created two alternative versions of Word, one for people who
really like the design of Word 2007 and really enjoy spending months
figuring out how to use it, and one for people who expect a basic

product
into which they've invested years of their lives to remain in existence,
then I'd have no problem with that.

Larry



"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.

I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like

and
the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a
little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from
proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am

actually
quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried)
offering
to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations.

I
will still do that if you are interested.

Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a
garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your
garage
or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and

requirement
and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of

users
and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune

is
made.



--
Greg Maxey/Word MVP
See:
http://gregmaxey.mvps.org/word_tips.htm
For some helpful tips using Word.


Larry wrote:
Here's hoping that millions of users and thousands of companies react
as you have done, since apparently that is the only thing that will
persuade the people at Microsoft what a hideous catastrophe Word 2007
is.

Larry




"CS Hayes" wrote in message
...
FYI again

I am not very interested in old tool bars for new programs. I have
been using 2007 trial and sadly I'm not impressed. I do understand
that I will have to learn this software to be competitive in todays
workforce but I don't like it. I've spent years learning how to
manipulate software via menus and now I have to relearn how to do it
via ribbons (which is a fancy word for "over sized tool bar.") I'm
going to go to 2003 on my system once the trial runs out.

Here is an interesting idea: since someone can program a new tool
bar for 2007 could someone program an interface for language
compatibility with .NET for VB6? I think this would be something a
lot of people would be interested in.
--
Chris Hayes
Still a beginner (only 12 years)


"Cindy M." wrote:

Hi Chris,

And there's a more sophisticated tool that's just come out here. It
includes what the Chinese is offering (the "Lite" version), plus
one that lets you customize the menus, create your own toolbars,
and add your own macros and AutoText. The toolbar can also be
floated.

What's more, you can save each set of customizations - including
where the toolbars are located - in individual documents.

It costs 19.95 for a single license, with discounts for volume
licenses. And you can get 5% off by using the coupon code MVPCINDY

http://www.toolbartoggle.com

For those of you who must have the drop down menus fear no more.

A chinese developer has created an Add In for Office and it's
$29.00 (those folks are becoming quite the capitalists...)

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130635/article.html

Where there's a need there's a dollar.


Cindy Meister
INTER-Solutions, Switzerland
http://homepage.swissonline.ch/cindymeister (last update Jun 17
2005) http://www.word.mvps.org

This reply is posted in the Newsgroup; please post any follow
question or reply in the newsgroup and not by e-mail :-)






  #16  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 04:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
LurfysMa
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Posts: 190
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:08:38 -0400, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:

Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007 is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.

I am not thrilled by it either, but there are many features that I like and
the more I use it my initial ire continues to diminish. I have spent a
little time playing with RibbonX custimaztion and while I am far from
proficient, I have been able to create some custom tabs and I am actually
quite satisfied with the result. I sent you an e-mail (or tried) offering
to send you a sample document with some simple ribbon cusotomizations. I
will still do that if you are interested.


I think you have completely missed Larry's point. If you like the new
product or if you are willing to spend hours learning new techniques,
that's great. Larry's point is that MS has forced him to do so.

If he's like me, Word is a tool, not a career. I thank Larry for being
so vocal. I just want the damned thing to work. I hate conversions and
releases because there is always down time and adjustments. I have a
business to run and I want reliable tools that don't require more time
for me to learn them than they require to do the job.

MS is a huge multi-gazillionaire company. They can provide a
compatibility mode for new releases so that I can have it work exactly
like it used to if I want it to.

MS has been arrogant toward its users in the past. Is this another
example?

Do you have a garage? If I recall correctly, Microsoft was born in a
garage. Why don't you design a word processing application in your garage
or similiar small space that satisfies all of your tastes and requirement
and market it? If you pull it off and there really are millions of users
and thousands of companies that feel the same as you then your fortune is
made.


Now that is a really stupid comment.

--
Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000
  #17  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 04:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Suzanne S. Barnhill
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Posts: 31,786
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

I suspect that the next version of Word may take some "backward" steps to
accommodate those who were not ready for it. Holding fast with Word 2003 now
and then upgrading to Word 14 may be the best plan.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm
saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's

an
orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing
Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize
Word 2007 as I see fit.

Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone
knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to
change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a

continual
pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on
using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's
programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of

Word
2007 that has Word 2007's interface?

Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations"
which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista

group
there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of
parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that
group, where there is a lot of nastiness.

Larry


"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry :

"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,

I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007

is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a

broken
record.


That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a

software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.


I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's
spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing
but would have omitted "are beginning to".

Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about
the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you
devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as
you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as
you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/



  #18  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 04:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
LurfysMa
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Posts: 190
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:20:44 -0400, "Greg Maxey"
wrote:

Larry,

I don't see anything cheap in the shot at all. Of course that is my opinion
and it differs from yours.


And from mine.

My point remains that anyone that has been reading your posts recently is
fully aware that you don't like Word2007. To continue the diatribe is well
... sounding like a broken record.


Then ignore his posts.

Again this is just my opinion. Your
endless grousing about Word2007 here in this formum is not going to bring
back the old UI.


It's a "forum" (look it up), not a MS support group. There is supposed
to be differences of opinion. I strongly differ with yours, for
example, but I'm telling you to shut up.

And your endless happy face is, at best, useless.

You have other options. Designing your own software was just one of them.


Idiotic statement.

--
Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000
  #19  
Old April 23rd, 2007, 05:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Greg Maxey
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Posts: 259
Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

Larry,

I can't speak for anyone else, but I assure you that I am not
attempting to scare or cow you or anyone else. I simply said that
your views on Word2007 are already clear to everyone that reads this
group and that you do have the freedom to take steps to find an
alternative solution.

I have certainly expressed some dissatisfaction with Word2007. If I
could have, a few months ago I would have impaled the genious that
killed AutoText Autocomplete tips. I am not enamored with the Ribbon
either, but old menus and toolbars are gone and rather get stuck on it
and have a daily hissy fit I have decided to accept it and move on.
In doing so, I have found some things in Word2007 that I really like.
I would trade AutoText Autocomplete tips for Content Controls any day.

You can bark at the moon if you want to. Personally I don't think
your redundant criticism here is going to change anything. If you
want to keep it up I can ignore it.




On Apr 23, 10:56 am, "Larry" wrote:
There are a lot of people frequenting this group who want to say what I'm
saying, but comments like the above make them afraid to say it. There's an
orthodoxy shaping up here that is intended to cow anyone from criticizing
Word 2007. I respect all the Word MVPs, but I will continue to criticize
Word 2007 as I see fit.

Suzanne says that Word 2003 is the alternative to 2007. But as everyone
knows, as hardware and software continue to "progress," or at least to
change, it gets harder to keep using old programs, and there is a continual
pressure to adapt to the most recent programs. How long can people go on
using 2003, before it is left behind by, say, further changes in Word's
programming language, which will force them to use some "descendant" of Word
2007 that has Word 2007's interface?

Speaking of grousing about Microsoft's latest generation of "innovations"
which includes Word 2007 and Windows Vista, over at the Windows Vista group
there is fierce outspoken protest against Vista coming from a lot of
parties. However, I'm not recommending that this group become like that
group, where there is a lot of nastiness.

Larry

"Stan Brown" wrote in message

t...



Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0400 from Larry :


"Greg Maxey" wrote in message
...
Larry,


I have read many of your posts and your disappointment with Word2007

is
clearly evident. To be blunt you are beginning to sound like a broken
record.


That's a cheap shot, Greg, and it's beside the point. I'm not a

software
designer. My criticisms of the Word 2007 monstrosity stand.


I'm sure Greg can defend himself, but for the record I think he's
spot on. If I had written the comment, I'd have said the same thing
but would have omitted "are beginning to".


Word 2007 is what it is, like it or not. I don't say everything about
the Ribbon is better than everything about the old menus. But if you
devote half as much energy to getting comfortable with the Ribbon as
you have to kvetching about it, you may find that it's not as bad as
you think, *and* you'll probably become an expert.


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Old April 23rd, 2007, 05:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
LurfysMa
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Default FYI Word 2007 users who must have menus

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:50:15 -0500, "Beth Melton"
wrote:

The "cheap shot", Larry, is spending a limited amount of time using Word
2007, forming quick and non-researched opinions, and then criticizing it
every chance you get.

I'm sure if I spent 5 to 10 minutes using "Larry's Word", and if I were one
to form quick and non-researched opinions, I'd think it was hideous, a
catastrophe, and a monstrosity - all because I haven't taken the time to use
it.

What you say takes months to learn really doesn't take that long at all.
Now, I spent months learning about the new features (which is true of any
new version), but I adapted to the UI fairly quickly. FWIW, I've been using
the Office applications, with the menus/toolbars, since 1985, starting with
Excel on a Mac. I went from using SuperCalc and WordStar with the slash
commands and I couldn't imagine how using a mouse would help me work faster
than my trusty keyboard navigation! But once I got the hang of using a mouse
I never looked back.

The UI you love was designed for 1989, just as the slash command nagivation
was designed for early computer applications. A lot has changed since then
and the programs outgrew the menu/toolbar system. I'm surprised they didn't
do this long ago.

I think the bottom line is, if you prefer to drive your 1950 Chevy with no
air conditioning, manual steering, manual transmission, and drum brakes,
then by all means, keep driving it. I prefer to drive my new convertible
with air conditioning, automatic steering, split shift transmission (can
switch to automatic or manual), anti-lock brakes, heated leather seats, GPS,
and 4-disc CD changer. I like my car and I'm tired of someone merely kicking
the tires and making assumptions about it.


Another point completely missed.

I never heard Larry tell you or Greg or anyone else not to use the new
interface. He just said that he hates it and hates that HE is forced
to use it or stay with an obsolete version.

Your car analogy is off the mark. Your shiny new car is 100%
compatible with existing roads, maps, gas stations, DMV procedures,
etc. When you bought it, you didn't need more than 5 minutes of
training to be able to drive away. When you upgraded, you didn't need
to learn new maps, build new roads, go back to driver's school, take a
new driver's test (unless you bought a bus), or anything. If your new
car has a fancy GPS system, or a satellite uplink, or a wet bar, or a
waterbed, it didn't affect your ability to drive down the road. And,
both you and Larry can drive down the same road at the same time
without either of you making any adjustments for each other.

Larry has a valid point. MS tends to make changes because they can. I
guarantee you, that Google Office is going to change that and I'm
cheering for Google -- until they become the arrogant 8 million pound
gorilla and start pushing people and customers around.

It took about 60 years for TJ Watson's lean, mean, responsive company
to become ossified and arrogant and get clipped my Microsoft. It's now
been about 20 years. MS is getting bloated and slow. They weathered
the Netscape scare just like IBM did early competitors by crushing
them. So far the open source folks (and other grass roots efforts)
have not quite got it together. But Google may just do to MS after 30
years what MS did to IBM after 60.

In the meantime, Larry, keep complaining. Even if I don't agree with
you. I'll just tune you out. ;-)

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Running Word 2000 SP-3 on Windows 2000
 




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