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  #21  
Old May 27th, 2009, 12:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
BruceM[_4_]
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Posts: 558
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

Do not contact Steve. He is a fraud.

Steve, you make it very difficult to be polite. The OP has no interest in
your offer. Stop groveling. You have too little dignity left to be able to
afford that.


"Steve" wrote in message
m...
Tina is repeating here the same thing gls858 is saying. The reality check
is that you will need to invest a significant amount of time and energy to
build your database. I can build you a simple, no hassle, easy to use
database that will do all you want for a modest fee. Contact me, you have
nothing to lose.

Steve



"tina" wrote in message
...
it's not clear what the purpose of the data is, RE. if you're actually
wanting to calculate and track PAYROLL, that's pretty complex - unless
you're paying folks cash under the table, or working in a country that
has
no tax of any kind on personal income. living in the USA, i don't think
i'd
touch payroll with a ten- (make that fifty-) foot pole, especially since
there are proven solutions available out-of-the-box.

but i'm wondering if you're actually tracking employee hours / labor
expenses. that seems a bit more in line with the information you posted.
and
from the description, it's related data that probably would be better
handled in Access than in Excel. but Access isn't Excel on steroids -
it's a
completely different concept in storing and manipulating data. if you
build
the db right, i imagine you *can* make your data entry / reporting work
"a
snap". but building it right definitely will NOT be a snap.

i'm not trying to discourage you, just give you a reality check. if
you're
prepared to invest a significant amount of time and energy into learning
relational design principles, and then learning to use the Access tool to
build the application you need, go for it. to get started, see
http://home.att.net/~california.db/tips.html#aTip1.

hth


"REJesser" wrote in message
news
Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating
business. I need the database to contain:

Employee Number (linked to Employee Table)
Employee Name (linked to Employee Table)
Rate of Pay (linked to Rate of Pay Table)
Extra Pay
Boat assigned to (linked to Vessel Information Table)
Date

I have always used Excel to track this information. There are times
when

I
need perform the time intensive task of going back up to 5 years and
determine how many days a crewmember was at work, what boat were they
on,

and
how many total days they were on each boat. I am hoping a database can

make
this a snap.

The Payroll Database would need to be able to create a report each month

on
the 1st and 16th. The pay periods are from 1-15 and 16 - end of the

month.
I would gladly send someone a copy of the Excel Time Sheet I use if that
would help visualize this whole deal.

I have the Employee Table, Rate of Pay Table, and Vessel Information
Table
already. Now it is just a matter of combining them into something that
alleviates - not causes - headaches.

Thank you very much for any assistance you can provide
Ron








  #22  
Old May 27th, 2009, 12:41 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
BruceM[_4_]
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Posts: 558
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of
project details.

I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to
see what they do.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
Hi

I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including
you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some
asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other
ask
specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you
to
think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application.

OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with
Steve
here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be
an
idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's.
NOT
saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he
is
right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small
Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that
will
cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take
paid
holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free
(as
they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc).

So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have
just
looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start.

OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules
that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who
have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared
to
sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this
is
a possibility.

Good luck with your app

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



"Noëlla Gabriël" wrote:

Hi,

the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no
commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations
are
very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave
(including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a
vacation
of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing
packages
before deciding on writing our own.
--
Kind regards
Noëlla


"Brendan Reynolds" wrote:


"REJesser" wrote in message
news Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating
business. I need the database to contain:
snip

I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access
payroll
system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it.
You can
get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by
experts in
the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if
you
place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick
Google
search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for
159
euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under
those
circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'.

--
Brendan Reynolds



  #23  
Old May 27th, 2009, 01:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
BruceM[_4_]
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Posts: 558
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

In reading my posting in this part of the thread I'm not sure I made it
clear I agree with you in principle.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
Hi

I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including
you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some
asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other
ask
specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you
to
think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application.

OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with
Steve
here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be
an
idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's.
NOT
saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he
is
right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small
Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that
will
cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take
paid
holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free
(as
they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc).

So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have
just
looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start.

OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules
that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who
have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared
to
sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this
is
a possibility.

Good luck with your app

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



"Noëlla Gabriël" wrote:

Hi,

the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no
commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations
are
very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave
(including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a
vacation
of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing
packages
before deciding on writing our own.
--
Kind regards
Noëlla


"Brendan Reynolds" wrote:


"REJesser" wrote in message
news Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating
business. I need the database to contain:
snip

I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access
payroll
system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it.
You can
get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by
experts in
the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if
you
place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick
Google
search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for
159
euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under
those
circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'.

--
Brendan Reynolds



  #24  
Old May 27th, 2009, 02:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
REJesser
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Posts: 20
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

Good morning,

Thank you all very much for the input. It is greatly appreciated.

I guess I made this sound much more involved than it needs to be. I need to
create something that can track the number of days a crewmember is at work.
I would like to be able to go back up to 5 years to find out how many days
the person worked, which boats they worked on, and how many days on the
specific boat they worked. For example, Captain Popeye worked a total of
1000 days in the last five years as a wheelman (driver). He worked on the
Titanic for 250 days, the Mayflower for 125 days, and the Super Ron (I
couldn’t resist) for 625 days.

Our company has a program (Great Plains) that deals with taxes and all that
other stuff. I am the HR guy for the company. I basically need a glorified
attendance sheet that I can assign pay rates to. I am sorry I made is sound
much more complex than it actually is.

Thanks for any help you can provide. As for Steve, thanks, but no thanks
for your offer.

  #25  
Old May 27th, 2009, 03:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
Keith Wilby
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Posts: 812
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

"REJesser" wrote in message
...

I guess I made this sound much more involved than it needs to be. I need
to
create something that can track the number of days a crewmember is at
work.
I would like to be able to go back up to 5 years to find out how many days
the person worked, which boats they worked on, and how many days on the
specific boat they worked. For example, Captain Popeye worked a total of
1000 days in the last five years as a wheelman (driver). He worked on the
Titanic for 250 days, the Mayflower for 125 days, and the Super Ron (I
couldn’t resist) for 625 days.

Our company has a program (Great Plains) that deals with taxes and all
that
other stuff. I am the HR guy for the company. I basically need a
glorified
attendance sheet that I can assign pay rates to. I am sorry I made is
sound
much more complex than it actually is.

Thanks for any help you can provide. As for Steve, thanks, but no thanks
for your offer.


The first thing I would say is that you would derive the total number of
hours worked and not store it. You would calculate it in a query. I would
also store each crew member's details in a lookup table, you could then
choose a crew member for a period of work to store in your main table. Each
period of work would equate to one record in your main table where you would
store start and end times/dates. You could then run a report against start
and end dates for a given crew member to show what they were doing and when.

This is all very high level stuff, I'm just trying to nudge you into the
right direction ... as I said before, a look at the relationships in the
Northwind example might help.

Keith.
www.keithwilby.co.uk

  #26  
Old May 27th, 2009, 07:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
Wayne-I-M
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Posts: 3,674
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

H Bruce

the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of
project details.


I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think
that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed project
to start.

But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I will
give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but I
still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is a
place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what they
imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications.

"BruceM" wrote:

I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate, but
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence of
project details.

I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work to
see what they do.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
Hi

I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-) including
you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of some
asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other
ask
specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads you
to
think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf application.

OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with
Steve
here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may" be
an
idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's.
NOT
saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that he
is
right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a small
Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that
will
cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take
paid
holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free
(as
they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc).

So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have
just
looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start.

OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and rules
that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone who
have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be prepared
to
sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if this
is
a possibility.

Good luck with your app

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



"Noëlla Gabriël" wrote:

Hi,

the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no
commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and situations
are
very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of leave
(including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a
vacation
of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing
packages
before deciding on writing our own.
--
Kind regards
Noëlla


"Brendan Reynolds" wrote:


"REJesser" wrote in message
news Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating
business. I need the database to contain:
snip

I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access
payroll
system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it.
You can
get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by
experts in
the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself (if
you
place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick
Google
search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for
159
euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under
those
circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'.

--
Brendan Reynolds




  #27  
Old May 27th, 2009, 08:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
BruceM[_4_]
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Posts: 558
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

Steve has made some good suggestions from time to time, but I have to wonder
why he keeps thinking he can slip in a solicitation or two below the radar.
Also, I tend not to trust the person who low-balls the competition unless
they can make a good case for economy of scale or superior automation or
some such objective criteria.

Then again, Steve may lead a very economical or self-sufficient lifestyle
that requires just a little cash from time to time. Could happen.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
H Bruce

the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an
alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence
of
project details.


I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think
that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed
project
to start.

But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I
will
give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but I
still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is
a
place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what
they
imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications.

"BruceM" wrote:

I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate,
but
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an
alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence
of
project details.

I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work
to
see what they do.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
Hi

I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-)
including
you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of
some
asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and other
ask
specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads
you
to
think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf
application.

OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with
Steve
here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may"
be
an
idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role DB's.
NOT
saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that
he
is
right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a
small
Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app that
will
cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't take
paid
holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax free
(as
they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc).

So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I have
just
looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start.

OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and
rules
that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone
who
have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be
prepared
to
sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if
this
is
a possibility.

Good luck with your app

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



"Noëlla Gabriël" wrote:

Hi,

the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that no
commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and
situations
are
very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of
leave
(including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a
vacation
of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing
packages
before deciding on writing our own.
--
Kind regards
Noëlla


"Brendan Reynolds" wrote:


"REJesser" wrote in message
news Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a
boating
business. I need the database to contain:
snip

I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access
payroll
system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against it.
You can
get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by
experts in
the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself
(if
you
place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick
Google
search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland for
159
euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro. Under
those
circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'.

--
Brendan Reynolds






  #28  
Old May 27th, 2009, 09:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
Steve[_70_]
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Posts: 152
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

It is not my intention to low-ball the competition. In fact I don't consider
anyone in the newsgroups competition. I am altruistic and believe in helping
people. Had the Op's problem been a true payroll system, I would not have
touched it. I saw an OP who had a "small" problem and simply offered to
provide him a simple cheap solution. All responders here mistakenly thought
the OP wanted a full-blown payroll system I did not. I have done umpteen
small projects like this and everyone is happy.

If you want to condemn anyone you ought to condemn people like Visio John,
Arno R and Keith Wilby. They provide very little if any help to posters.
There constant attacks are against the intent of the newsgroups.

Steve


"BruceM" bamoob_at_yawhodotcalm.not wrote in message
...
Steve has made some good suggestions from time to time, but I have to
wonder why he keeps thinking he can slip in a solicitation or two below
the radar. Also, I tend not to trust the person who low-balls the
competition unless they can make a good case for economy of scale or
superior automation or some such objective criteria.

Then again, Steve may lead a very economical or self-sufficient lifestyle
that requires just a little cash from time to time. Could happen.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
H Bruce

the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an
alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence
of
project details.


I think that is just Steve's way of "hooking" new cutomers. I also think
that everyone on this forum knows that it would be quite a detailed
project
to start.

But as I have never met Steve so (as my mum has alwasy told me to do) I
will
give him the benifit of doubt and assume that he can do a good job - but
I
still dis-agree with his idea of using this forum to advertise. There is
a
place for advertising, but (I thinktthat) most people come here for what
they
imagine will be free advice - or just a chat about access applications.

"BruceM" wrote:

I agree to the extent that an off-the-shelf propgram may be inadequate,
but
the idea that it can be done simply, quickly, and cheaply as an
alternative
to off-the-shelf is an unsustainable boast, particularly in the absence
of
project details.

I like the idea of contacting other companies in a similar line of work
to
see what they do.

"Wayne-I-M" wrote in message
...
Hi

I think the point that most people are making (except Steve :-)
including
you is that a pay role system is "probably" above the skill level of
some
asking general questions in a forum like this. OK many MVP's and
other
ask
specific questions but general "can this be done" type question leads
you
to
think that the OP may be better just buying an off the shelf
application.

OK - some people may shout at me for this, sorry - but I do agree with
Steve
here. If an off the shelf application is not do the job then it "may"
be
an
idea to get someone in to do it for you when it comes to pay role
DB's.
NOT
saying that Steve is right to run adverts in this forum but just that
he
is
right about it being a good idea to get outside help. I have made a
small
Pay Role app and it was a pig :0) as there is no off the shelf app
that
will
cope with outdoor instructors (they work very strange hours, don't
take
paid
holidays, but do get holiday pay, some clothing allowances are tax
free
(as
they are for safety) some isn't, etc, etc).

So Ron - have a look at the suggestions that Brendan suggested. I
have
just
looked at them and they would seem to be a good place to start.

OK - another suggestion (I know nothing about working on ships and
rules
that go with this by the way) but you "may" be able to contact someone
who
have already made a specific Ships app and see if they would be
prepared
to
sell you this. You could contact Noëlla and speak to them and see if
this
is
a possibility.

Good luck with your app

--
Wayne
Manchester, England.



"Noëlla Gabriël" wrote:

Hi,

the problem we had with our boating (seafaring co) was in fact that
no
commercial package really covered our needs. Naval laws and
situations
are
very special, like being on see working 3 months without 1 day of
leave
(including Sundays and holidays), and then coming home and having a
vacation
of some months. Believe us, we made a thorough study of existing
packages
before deciding on writing our own.
--
Kind regards
Noëlla


"Brendan Reynolds" wrote:


"REJesser" wrote in message
news Good afternoon,

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a
boating
business. I need the database to contain:
snip

I used to be responsible for maintaining and enhancing an Access
payroll
system. Although it is possible, I would strongly advise against
it.
You can
get good, off-the-shelf, professional payroll apps, developed by
experts in
the field, for a fraction of what it would cost to do it yourself
(if
you
place any kind of realistic value on your time). I just did a quick
Google
search, and I see that Sage are selling QuickPay here in Ireland
for
159
euro, and Thesaurus Software sell PayrollManager for 140 euro.
Under
those
circumstances, it just doesn't make any sense to 'roll your own'.

--
Brendan Reynolds








  #29  
Old May 27th, 2009, 11:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
Tony Toews [MVP]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 3,776
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

REJesser wrote:

I am attempting to create a Payroll Database. I work for a boating
business. I need the database to contain:

Employee Number (linked to Employee Table)
Employee Name (linked to Employee Table)
Rate of Pay (linked to Rate of Pay Table)
Extra Pay
Boat assigned to (linked to Vessel Information Table)
Date


FWIW I would call this a Time Keeping database and not a payroll
database. I suspect that is causing some confusion to some of the
posters here.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Granite Fleet Manager http://www.granitefleet.com/
  #30  
Old May 28th, 2009, 01:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.access.gettingstarted
John... Visio MVP
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Posts: 900
Default Payroll -- Is it even possible?!

"Steve" wrote in message
m...
It is not my intention to low-ball the competition.


You really do not get it. These newsgroups are for FREE help. How can you
low ball FREE?

In fact I don't consider anyone in the newsgroups competition.


Considering your past demonstration of your "skills", you are definitely not
competition.

I am altruistic and believe in helping people.

Not really the only one you are interested in helping is yourself.

I have done umpteen small projects like this and everyone is happy.


but they do not seem to want to come to your defense.

Steve


John... Visio MVP

 




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