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January 11th, 2008, 04:01 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official
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January 11th, 2008, 04:15 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
Hello Carl,
I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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January 11th, 2008, 04:32 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
Sorry, my mistake. It became available in September last year:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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January 11th, 2008, 10:12 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
John,
Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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January 12th, 2008, 04:31 AM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at
the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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January 12th, 2008, 08:49 AM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
John John!
You know that I actually think that the developer exam could be split into two: One for ShapeSheet development and one for automation! There are distinct deployment issues that should be covered in both... I also agree that there could be a power user cert too. What we need is more people taking the existing exam and asking for more. It's a good time to encourage any would be Visio developers to attend the conference next month. http://www.msvisioconference.com/ "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... 70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks -- David Parker Microsoft MVP (Visio) http://bvisual.spaces.live.com http://www.visualizinginformation.com
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January 12th, 2008, 03:01 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
;-)
You are showing your hand. "distinct deployment issues"? Do you not mean "Distinct DEVELOPMENT issues" ? The conference is a little over three weeks away and it may be short notice for some, but for anyone who is serious about Visio Development or use they really should attend. The presentations are only part of the conference benefits. It is an oppurtunity to make contact with the people actually creating Visio and other Visio developers or users. As to taking the exam; the prepartion required is a good way to review Visio development and get a better understanding of what you know. Eventually we will have a certification for Visio Power User. John... Visio MVP, VPU* * Yes David, you can say I am certifiable. ;-) Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "David Parker" wrote in message ... John John! You know that I actually think that the developer exam could be split into two: One for ShapeSheet development and one for automation! There are distinct deployment issues that should be covered in both... I also agree that there could be a power user cert too. What we need is more people taking the existing exam and asking for more. It's a good time to encourage any would be Visio developers to attend the conference next month. http://www.msvisioconference.com/ "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... 70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks -- David Parker Microsoft MVP (Visio) http://bvisual.spaces.live.com http://www.visualizinginformation.com
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January 14th, 2008, 09:02 AM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
From an employer's point of view it is interesting that a programmer knows
both. Otherwise he will allways use the method he knows best. From my point of view it sucks. My employer has turned to Java, and I don't have access any more to Visual Studio. "John Marshall, MVP" wrote: ;-) You are showing your hand. "distinct deployment issues"? Do you not mean "Distinct DEVELOPMENT issues" ? The conference is a little over three weeks away and it may be short notice for some, but for anyone who is serious about Visio Development or use they really should attend. The presentations are only part of the conference benefits. It is an oppurtunity to make contact with the people actually creating Visio and other Visio developers or users. As to taking the exam; the prepartion required is a good way to review Visio development and get a better understanding of what you know. Eventually we will have a certification for Visio Power User. John... Visio MVP, VPU* * Yes David, you can say I am certifiable. ;-) Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "David Parker" wrote in message ... John John! You know that I actually think that the developer exam could be split into two: One for ShapeSheet development and one for automation! There are distinct deployment issues that should be covered in both... I also agree that there could be a power user cert too. What we need is more people taking the existing exam and asking for more. It's a good time to encourage any would be Visio developers to attend the conference next month. http://www.msvisioconference.com/ "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... 70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks -- David Parker Microsoft MVP (Visio) http://bvisual.spaces.live.com http://www.visualizinginformation.com
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January 14th, 2008, 03:12 PM
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Is there an Official MS Visio Qualification. MCP or something?
So I looked into DVS (Developing Visio Solutions), and I only see 2003
version on MSDN. Is there a 2007 version available? From what I could find on Graham Wideman's book, it also seems to be on Visio 2003 (www.diagramantics.com). Are there any plans to update these resources for 2007? If so, do you recommend I wait, or go ahead and get the 2003 version if it will be a while? Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... 70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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January 14th, 2008, 05:01 PM
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The general information is unchanged, so both are good references. The
enhancements can be found on MSDN. No official word if DVS will be updated. We are still working on Graham for an update. John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... So I looked into DVS (Developing Visio Solutions), and I only see 2003 version on MSDN. Is there a 2007 version available? From what I could find on Graham Wideman's book, it also seems to be on Visio 2003 (www.diagramantics.com). Are there any plans to update these resources for 2007? If so, do you recommend I wait, or go ahead and get the 2003 version if it will be a while? Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Marshall, MVP" wrote in message ... 70-545 is the only exam available for Visio certification and is aimed at the programmer rather than the power user. http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx gives a good overview of the exam content, but not much detail. Knowledge of DVS is a good starting point for taking the exam. DVS (Developing Visio Solutions) is available as a book through Microsoft Press or is available online through MSDN. Graham Wideman's book is a good supplement to DVS. David Parker's book is also good to fill in some of the programming details. Personally, I'm looking forward to a power user certification for Visio. I do not think 70-545 covered as much shape development as it could have. Of course, I can think of a couple of people who would say there was not enough emphasis on deployment. ;-) John... Visio MVP Need stencils or ideas? http://visio.mvps.org/3rdparty.htm Need VBA examples? http://visio.mvps.org/VBA.htm Visio Wishlist http://visio.mvps.org/wish_list.htm "Joe Mako" wrote in message ... John, Thank you for these links. I understand this certification is not aimed at the casual user, but I too am interested in a Visio certification. It seems like this is a MCTS cert, but I do not see it listed on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcts/default.mspx . The links on http://www.microsoft.com/learning/exams/70-545.mspx for "Preparation tools and resources" do not provide resources related to this certification. The best resource I could find was the "Microsoft Office Visio 2007 Solution Providers Training" at http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en (from your post). Other than "Visualizing Information with Microsoft Visio 2007" by David J Parker, are there any other study preps of self-paced study books available or planned? (I saw www.pass4sure.com links on search, but that does not look reliable) After considering all these questions, it seems to me that Microsoft is not promoting this certification. Best Regards, Joe Mako "John Goldsmith" wrote in message ... Hello Carl, I believe there will be one although, as far as I'm aware, I don't think it's public yet. In the meantime you might be interested in the third paragraph of this link: http://blogs.msdn.com/visio/archive/...for-visio.aspx Best regards John John Goldsmith www.visualSignals.typepad.co.uk www.visualSignals.co.uk "Carl Ambrus" wrote in message ... Basically as above. I'm quite advanced in Visio, and wanted an official qualification plus some more formal training in VBA and Macros. Any ideas? Thanks
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