Orphan Control with Frames

Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that
starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the
top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though
that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other
paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next."
Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length
of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent
single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution.
Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or
bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not
interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs.
Thanks

Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a
workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP




"Rick" wrote:

Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that
starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the
top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though
that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other
paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next."
Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length
of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent
single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution.
Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or
bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not
interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs.
Thanks

I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases
its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not
there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had a
frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and
decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's
not ideal.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a
workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP




"Rick" wrote:

Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that
starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at
the
top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though
that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore
other
paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next."
Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the
length
of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to
prevent
single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution.
Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or
bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm
not
interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs.
Thanks

Thank you for the explanation, which certainly sounds likely (but it's still
annoying).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases
its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not
there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had a
frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and
decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's
not ideal.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of
a
workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP




"Rick" wrote:

Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph
that
starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at
the
top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even
though
that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore
other
paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next."
Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the
length
of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to
prevent
single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution.
Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or
bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm
not
interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs.
Thanks

IIRC, it's very apparent if you view the page in Normal view (where frames
are not in place); the line breaks of course are different since the lines
are wrapping to full margin width, and you can see that Word thinks there
will be two lines before a page break where there in fact is only one
(because lines above, wrapping shorter, have pushed the text down).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Thank you for the explanation, which certainly sounds likely (but it's
still annoying).

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases
its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not
there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had
a frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and
decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's
not ideal.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" wrote in message
...
Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of
a
workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP




"Rick" wrote:

Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my
document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph
that
starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at
the
top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even
though
that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore
other
paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next."
Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the
length
of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to
prevent
single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution.
Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or
bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm
not
interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs.
Thanks