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VBA/Visio course recommendation?
Did you want the PDF to make a hardcopy? If just to have an online
reference, and either John or Al may correct me, but this link, which I'll provide again for convenience, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...ffice.10).aspx, does take you to the DVS material. What Al says about VBA as a framework is quite true. My VBA experience came out of Excel. The VBA methodology is same for Visio, but Visio has so much more, that the specific details soon diverge. Certainly, knowing Visio is fundamental, but when you start wading thru all of methods, etc. that Visio has, it can be quite a daunting experience. It's sort of a 3-pronged issue: 1.) know Visio, 2.) know VBA, and 3.) know VBA as it relates to Visio (because there is a huge "language" set within the confines of Visio). Fortunately, it breaks down into some standard VBA structure that, theoretically, makes producing code easier. Lest that scare you, you do not have to be an expert with infinite knowledge, to be able to produce reasonable, working code. But, you do need to be patient. HTH Wapperdude "Paul" wrote: What you say makes much sense, Al. Will seek out a VBA course. I've tried to track down a PDF copy of "Developing Microsoft Visio Solutions" to no avail. It would complement the MSDN website quite nicely, as it is easier to search the whole document for words/ phrases, and presumably has an index. Easier to search than a hard copy, too (though I have ordered the book). It seems kind of odd that it isn't online. On Sep 2, 9:32 am, "AlEdlund" wrote: IMHO VBA merely provides a framework for describing how to work with information, the challange is in understanding the knowledge space that you're working in. Regarding VBA, a standard introductory course to visual basic should offer all that you need . I haven't seen anyone offer a combination of visual basic focused on office products. Even the Office Connections Conference usually focus' on word/excel/powerpoint. Regarding education relative to Visio, I've seen some consulting firms that offer it. Visio is a very rich environment with a unique set of features and functions that should be understood first. Where the four primary books that John mentioned have some VBA code in them, their primary function is to first teach Visio. There are numerous examples in these forums of those that have built "smart shapes" using just the shapesheet within the tool and not adding a lot of code. Al "Paul" wrote in message ... Thanks for the references, Wapper, John, and Al. Would you know of any actual courses (possibly multilple days) to get someone jumpstarted? Sitting down with a book presumes realistic scheduling and scope of mainline activities (which isn't always in one's control). In the absence of such, it isn't all that fine to be doing other stuff (or actually, there is, but there are other things competing for that time!). However, it is OK to take a time-out to formally get a jumpstart via courses. If there are no courses that are visio-oriented, what Excel-oriented course would minimize the gap in getting started in visio? Would it be overly presumptuous to also have the criteria of looking for a course for those who haven't yet picked up VBA on the streets of Excel, and have a intermediate knowledge of Excel as a spreadsheet rather than a programming tool? I.e. same degree of knowledge depth as one might have of older spreadsheet programs such as sc on unix, Quatro, and older applications on the venerable CBM machines.... On Aug 30, 5:14 pm, "John... Visio MVP" wrote: We were discussing DVS. Graham's books go beyond DVS so they require that you are acquianted with DVS. As to Graham's 2003 version, the SIGNED version is sitting within three feet of this keyboard, next to his other two books. There is also space next to them for his next edition. John... "AlEdlund" wrote in message ... John, You missed that Graham wrote one for the 2003 version as well. ;-) al "John... Visio MVP" wrote in message ... I've been hanging around since before version 1, so I am sort of the unofficial historian. DVS was part of the official manual that came with Visio, back in the old days when software did come with manuals. The book was written by the Visio team and Chris Roth, the Visio Guy, had a hand in it. His name is mentioned in the authors section in the earlier versions, but that section was dropped by the time the book was updated for 4.1. (and yes I do have a shelf load of Visio books that came with the product) One of my early complaints was that the version number did not appear on the spine. John... "WapperDude" wrote in message ... Interesting comment about DVS. It rang a bell, and I searched through my files of antiquity, and yes, I have a paperback book, Developing Visio Solutions. It came with Visio Technical 4.1. No author though. Seems to cover much or most of the basic stuff. The following link will take you to the website version, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...ffice.10).aspx, which is under V2002. See my topic referal in 1st post, which includes John's website -- has a ton of examples.! |
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VBA/Visio course recommendation?
On Sep 2, 4:32*pm, WapperDude
wrote: Did you want the PDF to make a hardcopy? *If just to have an online reference, and either John or Al may correct me, but this link, which I'll provide again for convenience,http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...ffice.10).aspx, does take you to the DVS material. That's the MSDN website I referred to in my previous post (below). It's easier to search an entire document for words/phrases if the document isn't distributed over many web pages, which is the only reason I would be looking for a PDF. Being a newb in different areas of knowledge, I find myself doing such searches all the time. I've requested the hard copy, but am wondering whether it will have any added value over the online content. I certainly understand what you say below about needing to learn language and the tool or environment (Visio) in which you use the language. What Al says about VBA as a framework is quite true. *My VBA experience came out of Excel. *The VBA methodology is same for Visio, but Visio has so much more, that the specific details soon diverge. *Certainly, knowing Visio is fundamental, but when you start wading thru all of methods, etc. that Visio has, it can be quite a daunting experience. *It's sort of a 3-pronged issue: * 1.) *know Visio, *2.) know VBA, and 3.) know VBA as it relates to Visio (because there is a huge "language" set within the confines of Visio). * Fortunately, it breaks down into some standard VBA structure that, theoretically, makes producing code easier. *Lest that scare you, you do not have to be an expert with infinite knowledge, to be able to produce reasonable, working code. *But, you do need to be patient. HTH Wapperdude "Paul" wrote: What you say makes much sense, Al. *Will seek out a VBA course. I've tried to track down a PDF copy of "Developing Microsoft Visio Solutions" to no avail. *It would complement the MSDN website quite nicely, as it is easier to search the whole document for words/ phrases, and presumably has an index. *Easier to search than a hard copy, too (though I have ordered the book). *It seems kind of odd that it isn't online. On Sep 2, 9:32 am, "AlEdlund" wrote: IMHO VBA merely provides a framework for describing how to work with information, the challange is in understanding the knowledge space that you're working in. Regarding VBA, a standard introductory course to visual basic should offer all that you need . I haven't seen anyone offer a combination of visual basic focused on office products. Even the Office Connections Conference usually focus' on word/excel/powerpoint. Regarding education relative to Visio, I've seen some consulting firms that offer it. Visio is a very rich environment with a unique set of features and functions that should be understood first. Where the four primary books that John mentioned have some VBA code in them, their primary function is to first teach Visio. There are numerous examples in these forums of those that have built "smart shapes" using just the shapesheet within the tool and not adding a lot of code. Al "Paul" wrote in message .... Thanks for the references, Wapper, John, and Al. Would you know of any actual courses (possibly multilple days) to get someone jumpstarted? *Sitting down with a book presumes realistic scheduling and scope of mainline activities (which isn't always in one's control). *In the absence of such, it isn't all that fine to be doing other stuff (or actually, there is, but there are other things competing for that time!). *However, it is OK to take a time-out to formally get a jumpstart via courses. If there are no courses that are visio-oriented, what Excel-oriented course would minimize the gap in getting started in visio? *Would it be overly presumptuous to also have the criteria of looking for a course for those who haven't yet picked up VBA on the streets of Excel, and have a intermediate knowledge of Excel as a spreadsheet rather than a programming tool? *I.e. same degree of knowledge depth as one might have of older spreadsheet programs such as sc on unix, Quatro, and older applications on the venerable CBM machines.... On Aug 30, 5:14 pm, "John... Visio MVP" wrote: We were discussing DVS. Graham's books go beyond DVS so they require that you are acquianted with DVS. As to Graham's 2003 version, the SIGNED version is sitting within three feet of this keyboard, next to his other two books. There is also space next to them for his next edition. John... "AlEdlund" wrote in message ... John, You missed that Graham wrote one for the 2003 version as well. ;-) al "John... Visio MVP" wrote in message ... I've been hanging around since before version 1, so I am sort of the unofficial historian. DVS was part of the official manual that came with Visio, back in the old days when software did come with manuals. The book was written by the Visio team and Chris Roth, the Visio Guy, had a hand in it. His name is mentioned in the authors section in the earlier versions, but that section was dropped by the time the book was updated for 4.1. (and yes I do have a shelf load of Visio books that came with the product) One of my early complaints was that the version number did not appear on the spine. John... "WapperDude" wrote in message ... Interesting comment about DVS. It rang a bell, and I searched through my files of antiquity, and yes, I have a paperback book, Developing Visio Solutions. It came with Visio Technical 4.1. No author though. Seems to cover much or most of the basic stuff. The following link will take you to the website version, http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...ffice.10).aspx, which is under V2002. See my topic referal in 1st post, which includes John's website -- has a ton of examples.!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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