Problem with Visio - dies when rotating shape

Hi, I have a copy of Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects SP-2
(10.0.6871) which came with VS2003.NET EA and there is a problem. I
am running it on XP Pro x64 SP2 which is fully updated and the issue
is that Visio frequently dies unexpectedly. One particular case is
where I try to rotate a hole in a wall (in the Building Plan stencil)
by selecting the rotate toolbar button and double clicking the hole
but it does quite generally seem flakey.

I am not currently using Visio with VS2003 but will do later. I did
try the "Detect and Repair" function in the Help menu but that did not
change anything.

Any ideas gratefully received,

Mike

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:11:00 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Hi, I have a copy of Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects SP-2
(10.0.6871) which came with VS2003.NET EA and there is a problem. I
am running it on XP Pro x64 SP2 which is fully updated and the issue
is that Visio frequently dies unexpectedly. One particular case is
where I try to rotate a hole in a wall (in the Building Plan stencil)
by selecting the rotate toolbar button and double clicking the hole
but it does quite generally seem flakey.

I am not currently using Visio with VS2003 but will do later. I did
try the "Detect and Repair" function in the Help menu but that did not
change anything.

Any ideas gratefully received,

That sounds like a video drivers problem to me. Have you checked to
see if updated drivers are available?


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

Hi, *I have a copy of Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects SP-2
(10.0.6871) which came with VS2003.NET EA and there is a problem. *I
am running it on XP Pro x64 SP2 which is fully updated and the issue
is that Visio frequently dies unexpectedly. *One particular case is
where I try to rotate a hole in a wall (in the Building Plan stencil)
by selecting the rotate toolbar button and double clicking the hole
but it does quite generally seem flakey.

I am not currently using Visio with VS2003 but will do later. *I did
try the "Detect and Repair" function in the Help menu but that did not
change anything.

That sounds like a video drivers problem to me. Have you checked to
see if updated drivers are available?

--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio * * * *http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

Hi, thanks for the reply. My PC has a Radion 2400HD card and I just
upgraded to the latest version of the ATI Catalist suite V8.7 which
did not cure the problem.

Do you have any pointer towards narrowing down the problem further
perhaps ?

Thanks again,

Mike

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:34:52 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Hi, *I have a copy of Microsoft Visio for Enterprise Architects SP-2
(10.0.6871) which came with VS2003.NET EA and there is a problem. *I
am running it on XP Pro x64 SP2 which is fully updated and the issue
is that Visio frequently dies unexpectedly. *One particular case is
where I try to rotate a hole in a wall (in the Building Plan stencil)
by selecting the rotate toolbar button and double clicking the hole
but it does quite generally seem flakey.

I am not currently using Visio with VS2003 but will do later. *I did
try the "Detect and Repair" function in the Help menu but that did not
change anything.

That sounds like a video drivers problem to me. Have you checked to
see if updated drivers are available?


Hi, thanks for the reply. My PC has a Radion 2400HD card and I just
upgraded to the latest version of the ATI Catalist suite V8.7 which
did not cure the problem.

Do you have any pointer towards narrowing down the problem further
perhaps ?

Unless it's a bug in the x64 system somewhere ...
Have you tried changing video settings, different resolution/ color
depth etc, turn off hardware acceleration ...


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
Electronics for Visio http://www.electronics.sandrila.co.uk/

Unless it's a bug in the x64 system somewhere ...
Have you tried changing video settings, different resolution/ color
depth etc, turn off hardware acceleration ...

Well, I have tried the following :

1. Uninstalled the cideo driver completely and run the native VGA
driver instead - no good
2. Run in Safe mode - works fine
3. Run in safe mode with networking - works fine
4. Run with VGA (not ATI) driver as 1 but with most processes slayed
- no good

I get the problem whenever I do even the simplest thing in Visio, eg
start Visio and select the basic diagram type for new drawing; drag
heptagon shape to drawing; double-click on heptagon in drawing -
KABOOM !

It definitely seems to be related to double-clicking though rather
than anything else.

I have taken a listing of the runing processes using Pslist from the
sysinternals toolset and have apended them below. The first list is
the safe mode list and the second is what is running when I slay
everything I can when not in safe mode.

Any further ideas gratefully received.

Mike


pslist v1.28 - Sysinternals PsList
Copyright ® 2000-2004 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals

Process information for PLATH:

Name Pid Pri Thd Hnd Priv CPU Time Elapsed
Time

cmd 1632 8 1 28 2440 0:00:00.000
0:04:11.593
csrss 332 13 11 265 3900 0:00:15.640
0:06:18.546
explorer 1272 8 12 368 17672 0:00:10.250
0:05:51.203
Idle 0 0 4 0 0 0:25:48.968
0:00:00.000
lsass 416 9 18 299 3652 0:00:00.234
0:06:14.515
pslist 1980 13 2 142 2340 0:00:00.093
0:00:03.015
services 404 9 17 255 3028 0:00:00.203
0:06:14.734
smss 284 11 3 19 248 0:00:00.062
0:06:34.265
svchost 588 8 6 92 2056 0:00:00.046
0:06:12.906
svchost 664 8 9 185 2632 0:00:00.093
0:06:11.562
svchost 740 8 8 125 6408 0:00:00.046
0:06:11.218
svchost 812 8 5 92 1852 0:00:00.015
0:06:10.609
svchost 828 8 40 710 14232 0:00:00.953
0:06:10.296
System 4 8 67 413 44 0:00:36.718
0:00:00.000
taskmgr 1480 13 3 82 2644 0:00:00.328
0:05:03.453
winlogon 356 13 19 258 6072 0:00:00.578
0:06:17.031
wmiprvse 1560 8 7 164 3340 0:00:00.171
0:04:50.859



pslist v1.28 - Sysinternals PsList
Copyright ® 2000-2004 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals

Process information for PLATH:

Name Pid Pri Thd Hnd Priv CPU Time Elapsed
Time

Idle 0 0 4 0 0 0:38:58.750
0:00:00.000
System 4 8 97 722 44 0:00:47.937
0:00:00.000
smss 368 11 3 19 248 0:00:00.000
0:09:36.203
csrss 424 13 16 437 4180 0:00:03.937
0:09:17.953
winlogon 448 13 24 616 10596 0:00:00.734
0:09:16.531
services 496 9 15 294 3120 0:00:01.656
0:09:14.500
lsass 508 9 29 410 6632 0:00:00.484
0:09:14.125
svchost 672 8 7 99 2128 0:00:00.046
0:09:12.250
svchost 776 8 11 232 2708 0:00:00.484
0:09:09.781
svchost 820 8 100 1477 23468 0:00:01.984
0:09:09.687
svchost 876 8 7 122 6364 0:00:00.015
0:09:09.578
svchost 956 8 22 279 3824 0:00:00.015
0:09:08.968
svchost 1264 8 4 72 2744 0:00:00.000
0:08:57.671
svchost 1332 8 2 71 1584 0:00:00.000
0:08:57.625
svchost 1700 8 6 112 3392 0:00:00.031
0:08:53.531
svchost 1872 8 17 167 9196 0:00:00.093
0:08:50.093
wmiprvse 2240 8 6 174 3208 0:00:00.171
0:08:46.828
explorer 2664 8 16 444 18456 0:00:05.937
0:08:30.484
taskmgr 3128 13 3 96 2836 0:00:04.312
0:06:49.171
notepad 3152 8 4 111 3580 0:00:04.296
0:06:45.406
inetinfo 3656 8 12 174 5896 0:00:00.093
0:03:27.937
spoolsv 4028 8 5 61 2436 0:00:00.000
0:01:31.796
cmd 4076 8 1 27 2432 0:00:00.000
0:00:43.953
btwdins 2964 8 5 71 3524 0:00:00.015
0:00:35.265
pslist 620 13 1 129 2116 0:00:00.031
0:00:00.093

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:10:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Unless it's a bug in the x64 system somewhere ...
Have you tried changing video settings, different resolution/ color
depth etc, turn off hardware acceleration ...

Well, I have tried the following :

1. Uninstalled the cideo driver completely and run the native VGA
driver instead - no good
2. Run in Safe mode - works fine
3. Run in safe mode with networking - works fine
4. Run with VGA (not ATI) driver as 1 but with most processes slayed
- no good

I think you need help from a more knowledgable source, either report
it as a problem or wait for Barb or someone ....


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.electronics-packages.sandrila.co.uk/

Mike this does sound like a driver issue since it appears to work properly in
safe mode. You could try another driver for your video card or turn down the
hardware acceleration. I don’t recall seeing any issues with this video card
at this time.

James W.


"Paul Herber" wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 06:10:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

Unless it's a bug in the x64 system somewhere ...
Have you tried changing video settings, different resolution/ color
depth etc, turn off hardware acceleration ...

Well, I have tried the following :

1. Uninstalled the cideo driver completely and run the native VGA
driver instead - no good
2. Run in Safe mode - works fine
3. Run in safe mode with networking - works fine
4. Run with VGA (not ATI) driver as 1 but with most processes slayed
- no good

I think you need help from a more knowledgable source, either report
it as a problem or wait for Barb or someone ....


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.electronics-packages.sandrila.co.uk/

On Aug 22, 8:16*pm, James W. wrote:
Mike this does sound like a driver issue since it appears to work properly in
safe mode. You could try another driver for your video card *or turn down the
hardware acceleration. I don’t recall seeing any issues with this video card
at this time.

Hi James, thanks for your reply.

I don't think it can be a driver issue because the same driver (the
Windows default VGA driver) works in safe mode but doesn't work when
the ATI driver is unloaded from Windows when not in safe mode ?

Thanks again,

Mike

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Aug 22, 8:16*pm, James W. wrote:
Mike this does sound like a driver issue since it appears to work properly in
safe mode. You could try another driver for your video card *or turn down the
hardware acceleration. I don’t recall seeing any issues with this video card
at this time.

Hi James, thanks for your reply.

I don't think it can be a driver issue because the same driver (the
Windows default VGA driver) works in safe mode but doesn't work when
the ATI driver is unloaded from Windows when not in safe mode ?

Sounds to me like the video driver is needed to correct a fault in the
video card.


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
DFD/SSADM for Visio http://www.visio-dfd.sandrila.co.uk/

Mike
If you check the event viewer does it give any indication what is causing
the crash? It sounds like we need more information about your system you may
want to open a case with Microsoft Support.

James W.


"Paul Herber" wrote:

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On Aug 22, 8:16 pm, James W. wrote:
Mike this does sound like a driver issue since it appears to work properly in
safe mode. You could try another driver for your video card or turn down the
hardware acceleration. I don’t recall seeing any issues with this video card
at this time.

Hi James, thanks for your reply.

I don't think it can be a driver issue because the same driver (the
Windows default VGA driver) works in safe mode but doesn't work when
the ATI driver is unloaded from Windows when not in safe mode ?

Sounds to me like the video driver is needed to correct a fault in the
video card.


--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
DFD/SSADM for Visio http://www.visio-dfd.sandrila.co.uk/