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Old April 10th, 2007, 09:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Larry
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Default Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"

Ok, I understand. You-all have done what you could.

But I still say, the more Microsoft hears serious, sustained criticisms of
2007, from whatever source, the more chance there is that they will see the
badness of what they've done and change course.



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Feedback from MVPs is never soft-spoken. The MVPs who provided feedback

were
mostly those who were using the beta. These include PPT MVP Echo Swinford,
who identified and documented more bugs than anyone else in the entire
Office beta (for those who don't know Echo, she's widely known around MS

as
"the 'It sucks' lady"). But the number of Word MVPs is quite small in
proportion to the total number of Word users, and MS considers feedback

from
a wide variety of sources, including large corporations with volume
licensing. In particular, many decisions were made based on CEIP data;

those
who did not participate in CEIP could be argued to have only themselves to
blame, though, as mentioned here, CEIP data probably did not accurately
represent user customization.

MVPs are still providing outspoken feedback. We most recently did so at

the
MVP Summit (March 12-15). And the product team *does* listen. But our
viewpoint is still a minority, no matter how vocal.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup

so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
So that's it? MVPs have provided feedback in the past, and MS did not

heed
them, so the subject is closed and there's nothing to do but accept the
destruction of the Word interface?

I don't know anything about the relations of MVPs and Microsoft. But I
would guess that any feedback by MVPs during the testing period was on

the
softspoken side. I would suggest that if MVPs as a group spoke out more
strongly now, really conveying the depth of unhappiness with Word 2007

and
how unacceptable it is, that there would at least be a chance that MS

will
hear them and do something about it. It's the squeaky wheel that gets
greased. You have nothing to lose, and a great deal to gain, for
yourselves, and for all Word users.

Larry



something stronger is needed.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word MVPs have provided feedback to MS, individually and collectively,
throughout the development process. It's not as if this UI had burst

upon
an
unsuspecting world: Jensen Harris started documenting it in his blog
(http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/) in September 2005. The only thing

that
will
change Microsoft's direction is massive failure of corporate America

to
adopt the new version. But, given the reluctance of many corporations

to
upgrade early in the product life cycle, it may take a while for this
failure to become evident.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and

thinking
about.
I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of Word

is
fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic

task
of
typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the

sake
of
innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time

doing
with
Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text.

Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs,

something
I've
never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the Word
newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective

statement
or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs,

pointing
out
the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major

retooling,
including restoring basic features that have been taken away like

the
menus
and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had been
rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word

users
spoke
together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely

ignore
us
either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people

deeply
interested in Word see serious problems here.

Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your
Microsoft Office Button.

Larry


wrote in message
oups.com...
I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55

employees
in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it switched

from
WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve

was
unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting

slowly.
The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted

their
collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts.

Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were

unnerved
(often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them.

Everyone
seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap

them.
(Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just

easier
not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a

menu-building
add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often

complex
ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs

each
of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is

now
in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this.

I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply

wrong
at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to

improve
efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded
curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general principle;

(3)
users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will

eventually
submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more
inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or

keystrokes
that invoke commands are a significant part of the

document-creating
or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time

spent
at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding

specific
commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.)

Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or

self-
employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting facing
normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly
injured if they upgrade.

I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites

revolt.
Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply

that's
a bad thing.

Mark




  #82  
Old April 10th, 2007, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Larry
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Posts: 151
Default Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"

And I certainly intend to write a long letter to Microsoft, to all the
relevant parties I can find. If many others did the same, something might
get through to them.




"Larry" wrote in message
...
Ok, I understand. You-all have done what you could.

But I still say, the more Microsoft hears serious, sustained criticisms

of
2007, from whatever source, the more chance there is that they will see

the
badness of what they've done and change course.



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Feedback from MVPs is never soft-spoken. The MVPs who provided feedback

were
mostly those who were using the beta. These include PPT MVP Echo

Swinford,
who identified and documented more bugs than anyone else in the entire
Office beta (for those who don't know Echo, she's widely known around MS

as
"the 'It sucks' lady"). But the number of Word MVPs is quite small in
proportion to the total number of Word users, and MS considers feedback

from
a wide variety of sources, including large corporations with volume
licensing. In particular, many decisions were made based on CEIP data;

those
who did not participate in CEIP could be argued to have only themselves

to
blame, though, as mentioned here, CEIP data probably did not accurately
represent user customization.

MVPs are still providing outspoken feedback. We most recently did so at

the
MVP Summit (March 12-15). And the product team *does* listen. But our
viewpoint is still a minority, no matter how vocal.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
So that's it? MVPs have provided feedback in the past, and MS did not

heed
them, so the subject is closed and there's nothing to do but accept

the
destruction of the Word interface?

I don't know anything about the relations of MVPs and Microsoft. But

I
would guess that any feedback by MVPs during the testing period was on

the
softspoken side. I would suggest that if MVPs as a group spoke out

more
strongly now, really conveying the depth of unhappiness with Word 2007

and
how unacceptable it is, that there would at least be a chance that MS

will
hear them and do something about it. It's the squeaky wheel that gets
greased. You have nothing to lose, and a great deal to gain, for
yourselves, and for all Word users.

Larry



something stronger is needed.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message
...
Word MVPs have provided feedback to MS, individually and

collectively,
throughout the development process. It's not as if this UI had burst

upon
an
unsuspecting world: Jensen Harris started documenting it in his blog
(http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/) in September 2005. The only thing

that
will
change Microsoft's direction is massive failure of corporate America

to
adopt the new version. But, given the reluctance of many

corporations
to
upgrade early in the product life cycle, it may take a while for

this
failure to become evident.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the

newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

"Larry" wrote in message
...
Mark's points are so important, and are worth re-reading and

thinking
about.
I especially like Number 5: It's as though the main purpose of

Word
is
fancy functions to manage fancy documents, rather than the basic

task
of
typing and editing text. MS, in its desire for innovation for the

sake
of
innovation, has lost sight of what most people spend their time

doing
with
Word, which is typing, editing, and formatting text.

Based on the unhappiness expressed by several respected MVPs,

something
I've
never seen before in the eight years I've been frequenting the

Word
newsgroups, I think there is a basis for some kind of collective
statement
or petition to Microsoft from the newsgroups, led by the MVPs,

pointing
out
the serious problems with Word 2007 and asking for a major

retooling,
including restoring basic features that have been taken away like

the
menus
and toolbars. Terry said his own requests and suggestions had

been
rebuffed. But what if a bunch of MVPs and other interested Word

users
spoke
together? We might not win, but Microsoft could not completely

ignore
us
either. They would have to face the fact that intelligent people

deeply
interested in Word see serious problems here.

Word experts of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but

your
Microsoft Office Button.

Larry


wrote in message
oups.com...
I don't find that to be true at all. I coach a firm of 55

employees
in 4 offices, most of whom were with the company when it

switched
from
WP to Word a few weeks before I arrived, so their learning curve

was
unpleasant. Naturally with that mindset they'd been adapting

slowly.
The two most critical things that appealed to them and uplifted

their
collective viewpoint were macros and keyboard shortcuts.

Once they were shown these things, they adored them, and were

unnerved
(often greatly) when a new or foreign PC didn't have them.

Everyone
seems to appreciate keyboard shortcuts and the ability to remap

them.
(Most never use the Bold or Italic buttons anymore. It's just

easier
not to move your hand from the keyboard.) I placed a

menu-building
add-in on each system to simplify over 70 procedures, often

complex
ones that no average user would bother to do manually. It runs

each
of these macros in 2 or 3 clicks or keystrokes, and the staff is

now
in love with it. Word 2007 will slow or stifle this.

I think 5 concepts now being widely offered as fact are simply

wrong
at base: (1) the average user is too dumb & lazy to want to

improve
efficiency or reduce fatigue; (2) power users are close-minded
curmudgeons who are resistant to any change on general

principle;
(3)
users as a whole are such utter sheep that everyone will

eventually
submit to Microsoft's peverse rug-yank; (4) the ribbon is more
inherently more efficient than the menus; and (5) clicks or

keystrokes
that invoke commands are a significant part of the

document-creating
or -editing experience. (They're not; most average users' time

spent
at the computer is used for typing or scrolling, not finding

specific
commands on menus or buttons. That much should be obvious.)

Word 2007 may look cute to newbies or amusing for the idle or

self-
employed, but anyone who works in a standard office setting

facing
normal concerns about deadlines and overhead will be hopelessly
injured if they upgrade.

I'm with Larry. I think 2007 is an abomination that invites

revolt.
Yes, I'm a power user. Folks here seem almost willing to imply

that's
a bad thing.

Mark





  #83  
Old April 11th, 2007, 07:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Paul Ballou
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Posts: 176
Default Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"

Paste it into an image editor then Save As JPG or whatever format then
attach....

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Larry" wrote in message
...
Attach a screen shot to an e-mail??

Again, I made a screen shot. It would not paste into an e-mail. So I
pasted it into Word, and attached the Word document to an e-mail and sent
the e-mail to Cicely.

I hope I have passed muster.


"Paul Ballou" wrote in message
...
Attach it to the email

--
Paul Ballou
MVP Office
http://office.microsoft.com/home
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/
http://www.ballousgiftshop.com



"Larry" wrote in message
...
Well, I couldn't paste it into an e-mail, so Word was the next
alternative.
What would you suggest that I have done?


"Daiya Mitchell" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
I could paste it into a Word document and e-mail
to you as an attachment if you like.

The tendency of people to think that Word makes a good wrapper to
exchange a single picture is symptomatic of the factors that landed us
with Word 2007--the idea that Word can and should be able to do
everything!




  #84  
Old April 11th, 2007, 10:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.word.newusers
Larry
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Posts: 151
Default Another great example of how Word 2007 "brings commands closer to the surface"

Thanks much.

Larry
 




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