Outlook 2007 RTM still slow

I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

PST size?

Have same problems here.

I'm playing around at the moment with the fact that i reduced the size of
PST (archived things into another PST) from 6.4gb to 1,5gb... it looks like
it runs faster now... can't confirm yet...

Also, tried, Help, Office Diagnostics, that solved some speed issuses for
me, but again i'm not sure, cause the problem did return.

A.

" wrote:



I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

Is this all while the new Windows Desktop Search is ongoing (is your disk
light solid red)? It sounds like it, since Outlook really isn't any slower
than it ever has been. What is slower in 2007 is rendering of complex HTML
mail, since they're off the IE engine now, so for things like complex
newsletters it's a matter of a couple extra seconds. I think you're looking
at indexing issues, which should settle down after a day or so.

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I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

I disagree, I uninstalled WDS, the problem is when i'm receiving 50 emails,
all together no more then 2mb, you should see Outlook choke on this.

A.

"Milhouse Van Houten" wrote:

Is this all while the new Windows Desktop Search is ongoing (is your disk
light solid red)? It sounds like it, since Outlook really isn't any slower
than it ever has been. What is slower in 2007 is rendering of complex HTML
mail, since they're off the IE engine now, so for things like complex
newsletters it's a matter of a couple extra seconds. I think you're looking
at indexing issues, which should settle down after a day or so.

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oups.com...


I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

I had some fun here with B2TR and my 6 GB Outlook PST last week (it was
a nightmare). Here are some things I learnt from that:
- Keep the PST size down. You can use AutoArchive or Archive to get
things out of your PST. I'd highly suggest to do that regularly. If you
have the need to move entire folders or large quantities of messages out
of your PST into another PST, do not use Import/Export. Instead, you'd
normally make a new PST and drag & drop folders over. Unfortunately that
is awfully slow. However, you can move large quantities simply by
running Archive into a newly created PST by limiting it to a folder.
That actually is fast.
- Compact the PST regularly. Just moving things out of the PST won't
reduce it in size.
- The most important thing I learnt though is that not the overall PST
size is a real performance issues, but rather the number of messages
within a PST/folder. See
http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/20...14/395229.aspx (this is for
OST files, meaning when you use Outlook with an Exchange server, but it
seems to apply to PSTs as well). Quite frankly, reducing some of my
folders from 30,000 messages each to 2,000 or so did wonders for my
performance.

The usual stuff applies as well:
- Test it in safe mode (Start, Run, "outlook /safe"). If you don't
experience the issue then, then the problem is caused by an add-in.
- Switch off any anti-virus integration into Outlook or email. It's
plain unnecessary and just costs you performance.

I hope this helps!

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Ales Susnik" wrote in message
:

I disagree, I uninstalled WDS, the problem is when i'm receiving 50 emails,
all together no more then 2mb, you should see Outlook choke on this.

A.

"Milhouse Van Houten" wrote:

Is this all while the new Windows Desktop Search is ongoing (is your disk
light solid red)? It sounds like it, since Outlook really isn't any slower
than it ever has been. What is slower in 2007 is rendering of complex HTML
mail, since they're off the IE engine now, so for things like complex
newsletters it's a matter of a couple extra seconds. I think you're looking
at indexing issues, which should settle down after a day or so.

wrote in message
oups.com...


I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

No OST here, just PST, OST would die with me and it's 2gb limit.

Your advice is great, thank you, it does confirm my logic and working
behaviour with Outlook till now, I do everything regulary, just not Auto
Archive... since searching can be a trouble.
Number of messages with me is way over 90.000... that might have been an
issue...

I will report back regarding my issue, for the sake of other users who might
run into this problem.

Again, thanks.
A.
"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

I had some fun here with B2TR and my 6 GB Outlook PST last week (it was
a nightmare). Here are some things I learnt from that:
- Keep the PST size down. You can use AutoArchive or Archive to get
things out of your PST. I'd highly suggest to do that regularly. If you
have the need to move entire folders or large quantities of messages out
of your PST into another PST, do not use Import/Export. Instead, you'd
normally make a new PST and drag & drop folders over. Unfortunately that
is awfully slow. However, you can move large quantities simply by
running Archive into a newly created PST by limiting it to a folder.
That actually is fast.
- Compact the PST regularly. Just moving things out of the PST won't
reduce it in size.
- The most important thing I learnt though is that not the overall PST
size is a real performance issues, but rather the number of messages
within a PST/folder. See
http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/20...14/395229.aspx (this is for
OST files, meaning when you use Outlook with an Exchange server, but it
seems to apply to PSTs as well). Quite frankly, reducing some of my
folders from 30,000 messages each to 2,000 or so did wonders for my
performance.

The usual stuff applies as well:
- Test it in safe mode (Start, Run, "outlook /safe"). If you don't
experience the issue then, then the problem is caused by an add-in.
- Switch off any anti-virus integration into Outlook or email. It's
plain unnecessary and just costs you performance.

I hope this helps!

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Ales Susnik" wrote in message
:

I disagree, I uninstalled WDS, the problem is when i'm receiving 50 emails,
all together no more then 2mb, you should see Outlook choke on this.

A.

"Milhouse Van Houten" wrote:

Is this all while the new Windows Desktop Search is ongoing (is your disk
light solid red)? It sounds like it, since Outlook really isn't any slower
than it ever has been. What is slower in 2007 is rendering of complex HTML
mail, since they're off the IE engine now, so for things like complex
newsletters it's a matter of a couple extra seconds. I think you're looking
at indexing issues, which should settle down after a day or so.

wrote in message
oups.com...


I've installed Outlook 2007 with great expectations. Unfortunately,
there are performance issues that are pretty much rendering it useless
to me.

Just to note, I'm on a brand new Core 2 Duo T7400, XP sp2 install, so
it's not hardware or legacy XP junk slowing me down.

When I start Outlook, it takes ~30 seconds before I am able to perform
any action.

When email is being received, Outlook freezes. If I'm composing an
email at the time, I can no longer type. If I'm trying to view or
delete other email, no luck. I have 5 email accounts, so the freezing
is around 12-15 seconds every 2 minutes. If I'm receiving a file, the
freezing lasts longer.

Deleting more than a few items from my inbox often freezes things too.

Not to mention it's using 100MB of memory.

I heard that the Beta had similar problems, looks like it made it into
RTM. Does anyone know a fix (besides reinstalling oulook 2003).




Z

Just a followup, but no good news.

I've tried all suggestions, safe mode, etc. I don't run AV software,
and my pst file is 2.8GB, whch isn't too insanely big (I archived about
1GB of it yesterday). Full-on indexing completed long ago, so that
isn't the issue.

Still:
- slow startup (30 seconds)
- freezing for 2-10 seconds on send/receive. no other actions can be
performed on outlook when send/receive is happening.

I've noticed other "bad" behavior:
- other MS products "freeze" sometimes when a send/receive happens.
Even Visual Studio pauses on occassion, not allowing me to type.
- even notepad doesn't fire up instantly when a send/receive is
happening, as if waiting for the Outlook God to give it permission.

I suspect it's the built-in indexing thing --- ie as soon as an email
is received, Outlook tries to index it. But hey, can't that happen in
the _background_???

Come on microsoft, I'm dying over here. You're making my daily
computing experience painful, and actually hindering my programming
(using your products for that too I might add).

Maybe I'll just go back to using elm. sigh Open source is starting
look more and more attractive.

Z

One suggestion/idea... had exact problems... I archived up to 31.05.2006.
My amount of emails went from over 90.000 down to less then 5.000. I had
emails way back to 2003. Don't ask why.
Try to reduce the amount of emails (number of emails) in your PST... if that
helps.
Please if it ain't too much to ask, report back or via email
).

I'm suprised that not so many people have this problem... weird...

Thank you in advance.

A.
" wrote:

Just a followup, but no good news.

I've tried all suggestions, safe mode, etc. I don't run AV software,
and my pst file is 2.8GB, whch isn't too insanely big (I archived about
1GB of it yesterday). Full-on indexing completed long ago, so that
isn't the issue.

Still:
- slow startup (30 seconds)
- freezing for 2-10 seconds on send/receive. no other actions can be
performed on outlook when send/receive is happening.

I've noticed other "bad" behavior:
- other MS products "freeze" sometimes when a send/receive happens.
Even Visual Studio pauses on occassion, not allowing me to type.
- even notepad doesn't fire up instantly when a send/receive is
happening, as if waiting for the Outlook God to give it permission.

I suspect it's the built-in indexing thing --- ie as soon as an email
is received, Outlook tries to index it. But hey, can't that happen in
the _background_???

Come on microsoft, I'm dying over here. You're making my daily
computing experience painful, and actually hindering my programming
(using your products for that too I might add).

Maybe I'll just go back to using elm. sigh Open source is starting
look more and more attractive.

Z

I asked around a bit.
Z:
What accounts do you have (Exchange, POP, IMAP)? How many of each?
How many RSS feeds/SharePoint sites do you subscribe to?

Apparently RSS feeds and SharePoint sites can have a dramatic impact on
send/receive performance.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Ales Susnik" wrote in message
:

One suggestion/idea... had exact problems... I archived up to 31.05.2006.
My amount of emails went from over 90.000 down to less then 5.000. I had
emails way back to 2003. Don't ask why.
Try to reduce the amount of emails (number of emails) in your PST... if that
helps.
Please if it ain't too much to ask, report back or via email
).

I'm suprised that not so many people have this problem... weird...

Thank you in advance.

A.
" wrote:

Just a followup, but no good news.

I've tried all suggestions, safe mode, etc. I don't run AV software,
and my pst file is 2.8GB, whch isn't too insanely big (I archived about
1GB of it yesterday). Full-on indexing completed long ago, so that
isn't the issue.

Still:
- slow startup (30 seconds)
- freezing for 2-10 seconds on send/receive. no other actions can be
performed on outlook when send/receive is happening.

I've noticed other "bad" behavior:
- other MS products "freeze" sometimes when a send/receive happens.
Even Visual Studio pauses on occassion, not allowing me to type.
- even notepad doesn't fire up instantly when a send/receive is
happening, as if waiting for the Outlook God to give it permission.

I suspect it's the built-in indexing thing --- ie as soon as an email
is received, Outlook tries to index it. But hey, can't that happen in
the _background_???

Come on microsoft, I'm dying over here. You're making my daily
computing experience painful, and actually hindering my programming
(using your products for that too I might add).

Maybe I'll just go back to using elm. sigh Open source is starting
look more and more attractive.

Z

If I may reply also: 5 POP3, 0 RSS, 0 SharePoint.

A.

"Patrick Schmid [MVP]" wrote:

I asked around a bit.
Z:
What accounts do you have (Exchange, POP, IMAP)? How many of each?
How many RSS feeds/SharePoint sites do you subscribe to?

Apparently RSS feeds and SharePoint sites can have a dramatic impact on
send/receive performance.

Patrick Schmid [OneNote MVP]
--------------
http://pschmid.net
***
Office 2007 RTM Issues: http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/11/13/80
Office 2007 Beta 2 Technical Refresh (B2TR):
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/18/43
***
Customize Office 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/customize
OneNote 2007: http://pschmid.net/office2007/onenote
***
Subscribe to my Office 2007 blog: http://pschmid.net/blog/feed

"Ales Susnik" wrote in message
:

One suggestion/idea... had exact problems... I archived up to 31.05.2006.
My amount of emails went from over 90.000 down to less then 5.000. I had
emails way back to 2003. Don't ask why.
Try to reduce the amount of emails (number of emails) in your PST... if that
helps.
Please if it ain't too much to ask, report back or via email
).

I'm suprised that not so many people have this problem... weird...

Thank you in advance.

A.
" wrote:

Just a followup, but no good news.

I've tried all suggestions, safe mode, etc. I don't run AV software,
and my pst file is 2.8GB, whch isn't too insanely big (I archived about
1GB of it yesterday). Full-on indexing completed long ago, so that
isn't the issue.

Still:
- slow startup (30 seconds)
- freezing for 2-10 seconds on send/receive. no other actions can be
performed on outlook when send/receive is happening.

I've noticed other "bad" behavior:
- other MS products "freeze" sometimes when a send/receive happens.
Even Visual Studio pauses on occassion, not allowing me to type.
- even notepad doesn't fire up instantly when a send/receive is
happening, as if waiting for the Outlook God to give it permission.

I suspect it's the built-in indexing thing --- ie as soon as an email
is received, Outlook tries to index it. But hey, can't that happen in
the _background_???

Come on microsoft, I'm dying over here. You're making my daily
computing experience painful, and actually hindering my programming
(using your products for that too I might add).

Maybe I'll just go back to using elm. sigh Open source is starting
look more and more attractive.

Z