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Again you ignore the questions and facts that provide proof that you are
wrong and ask a tangential question to attempt to get logic off track. I don't personally know Arno R. Don't ask me about Arno R. I was referring to my friend and acquaintence Ken Snell. Remember the thread where you accused Ken of advertising in public news groups? Here is the message that I was referring to: ================================================ Steve, You are a complete idiot! I just searched for the thread you quoted from Ken Snell. The thread subject was "i need a pro". How can you even suggest that what you do compares with Ken's reply? Do you have no common sense? Can't you tell the difference between a OP who comes looking for free advice and someone who comes expecting to pay? The full text of the message Ken replied to: "hi all, is there a site that has a list of pros that will actually set up microsoft access for me. i need it set up for my small business and it is far too complicated for me. i live in the northern kentucky area about 50 miles south of cincinnati ohio. thanks for any replies an have a nice holiday weekend" In another reply in the same thread, the OP stated: "..and then they could have an idea as to what they should charge me. " Here's a little test. Rate the following on the appropriateness offering to provide paid contracting services: Subject 1: i need a pro Subject 2: Multidimensional Forms/Tables ================================================ -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... So your "friend" is Arno R! "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... Steve, "a bunch of code" "jack up the cost"? I had the form and code created in a matter of minutes (apparently I work faster than you). I then provided/donated most of the solution free in this public news group (and an earlier thread). The tables were normalized and the data entry met the requirements. I have done this a few times and it becomes quick and easy. My customers don't have to pay extra later on when they need to query for all Tuesdays or sum the values between 5/12 and 5/25. I would NEVER provide a solution to a client that would work as you proposed. When I read your post with the "spreadsheet" looking table structure, I held back from criticizing your solution. Although I vehemently criticize your advertising, I was too much of a gentleman to criticize your lack of understanding of application development. I called you an "idiot" once when you took a friend's statement totally out of context and then immediately apologized. I have often criticized actions and have tried to never refer to anyone as "DUMB", "Nitwit", or other derogatory expressions (although I often think it). You might get more work if you didn't display a lack of understanding of news groups and programming. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... So your solution is to write a bunch of code to fill a bunch of textboxes rather that simply using an nonnormalized table. HOW DUMB!! Is this the way you build applications so you can jack up the cost? Fehn, there's nothing wrong with using a non-normalized table in this case. Keep it simple and you get a non-code solution! You get your data displayed the way you want and it's updateable. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly wants a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great for presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they are not updateable. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "Ed Warren" wrote in message ... Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top and left with some data in the center of the table. You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever query and then displaying it in a pivot table. Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access? Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31 Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc : : etc. Thanks. |
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Glad to hear from you Fred!
I wished more people would speak up like you do now. It sure helps! But if others don't want to get 'involved' in this mess, I guess we do understand. Arno R "fredg" schreef in bericht ... On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:53:12 GMT, PC Datasheet wrote: Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. Steve, You have gone too far. To partially quote Joseph Welch -- "... Have you no sense of decency ...?" Your first reply to the OP was a direct solicitation of business, without even an attempt to give a workable answer to his question. This went far beyond your signature solicitation and was totally uncalled for. You then assumed my non-participation in calling you to task was some sort of approval of your behavior. Quite the contrary. I didn't wish to take up my time, nor the time of others, in what I perceive is a futile attempt to get you to observe the common courtesies of participation in an international newsgroup dedicated to 'free' technical help. You then went and mentioned my name in an attempt to separate the posters who have actively called you to task for these solicitations from those of us, MVP's and others, who for whatever reason chose not to participate. I can keep quiet no longer. Steve, after following these many threads in the various Access newsgroups over the past months, I can surely state that there is more class in the fingertips of Arno, Duane, John, Randy, Keith and Jeff, (and I'm sure lot's others who have not been actively participating in this 'discussion'), than you have in your whole body. You see, it's not just a matter of what you 'can or can't do,' it's a matter of what you 'should or should not do' that separates 'Class Acts' from the rest. In a later post in this thread your wrote: "There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together". I agree. I'm very happy to be associated with Arno, Duane, et alia. Believe me, it's much better to be an eagle than a turkey! -- Fred Please respond only to this newsgroup. I do not reply to personal e-mail |
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Here's a rhetorical question for you ---
"Why are you so stupid?" Thanks for providing the link where I got that!!!!! -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... rhetorical question Huh? /rhetorical question http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/F...0questions.htm -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, One of the prime signs of a dimwit is a post like the one you just made. You have sunk to the lowest depths with John Marshall. This is just evidence that you don't give a damn about the newsgroups, about polluting the newsgroups with worthless garbage and wasting a large volume of bandwidth. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... Steve, One of the greatest assets of a good programmer is the ability to identify patterns. Can you see the pattern below? News Groups ==================================== A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict Can you find the conflicts? If you look at actual threads with conflicts, can you find the ONE common initial element of each thread? Do you ever see Arno R or myself or any others creating conflict without an advertising post first? Think about it... -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Duane, Just take a cue from the people who are class acts and quit supporting and promoting Arno R and his band of dimwits. It's that simple. It's not complicated. It's not difficult. You are not impressing anyone siding with Arno R and his band of dimwits. You don't see these class act people siding with Arno R. They adhere to common netiquette rules. Whatever their feelings are, they stick to helping people in the newsgroups. There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together". Everyone is seeing that you are just like Arno R and his band of dimwits. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... Steve, Just start behaving like everyone else. It's that simple. It's not complicated. It's not difficult. Everyone else understands this. Everyone else is very good at complying. Everyone else sticks fairly close to common netiquette rules. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I would keep all the data in normalized tables (and ignore or verbally abuse PC Datasheet). tblSamples ================ SampleID Autonumber primary key SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions SampleDate SampleValue If you really need a form like this, consider -writing code that loads your data into a "flat" table for editing more code would be needed to normalize after editing -create an unbound form like a grid of text boxes. use code to fill the grid with data and then to save the data to your normalized table I wrote some code for another poster a while back the filled a bunch of text boxes with customer names and order dates from Northwind. One of the keys was to use a scheme for naming the text boxes as below: txtCust1 txtOrdDate1_1 txtOrdDate1_2 ...etc... txtCust2 txtOrdDate2_1 txtOrdDate2_2 ...etc... txtCust3 txtOrdDate3_1 txtOrdDate3_2 ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... The code to fill the text boxes with customers and order dates: Private Sub cmdPullOrderDates_Click() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim strSQL As String Dim intCustomer As Integer Dim strCustomer As String Dim intOrder As Integer strSQL = "SELECT CompanyName, OrderDate " & _ "FROM Customers INNER JOIN " & _ "Orders ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID " & _ "ORDER BY CompanyName, OrderDate" Set db = CurrentDb Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) rs.MoveFirst With rs intCustomer = 0 Do Until .EOF Or intCustomer 2 strCustomer = .Fields("CompanyName") intCustomer = intCustomer + 1 Me("txtCust" & intCustomer) = strCustomer intOrder = 0 Do Until strCustomer .Fields("CompanyName") Or intOrder 4 intOrder = intOrder + 1 Me("txtOrdDate" & intCustomer & "_" & intOrder) = .Fields("OrderDate") .MoveNext Loop Loop .Close End With Set rs = Nothing Set db = Nothing End Sub -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "Fehn" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access? Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31 Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc : : etc. Thanks. |
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Steve
I'm not sure who "Graham Mandello" is, but I can tell you that Graham Mandeno objects very strongly to your misuse of the newsgroups. This community is here to provide a forum for *free* advice and assistance, not for soliciting paid work. If, indeed as you say, over 1000 users have come to you from the newsgroups and paid fees, however "reasonable", for your work, then you are guilty of grossly abusing the community that we all support. Please don't interpret my silence in threads of this nature as tacit approval of your behaviour. The sooner you learn to respect the etiquette of this community, the better it will be for all of us. -- Graham Mandeno [Access MVP] Auckland, New Zealand "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. -- PC Datasheet Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications www.pcdatasheet.com Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting help. My fees are very reasonable. |
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PC D -- Please do not put me on a "pedestal".. I object to your
solicitations, your demeanor, and your choice of how to use the language. My "silence" just means that I pursue other means to offset your solications. -- Ken Snell MS ACCESS MVP "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. |
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You are your own worst enemy. It's not me or Arno R or John Marshall or
anyone else. You post an immediate, blatant advertisement You lash out at others who would like to stop advertising in newsgroups You provide a novice/inflexible solution You criticize a more professional, flexible, functional solution that will cost much less in the long run You refuse to either understand or admit that you understand -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Here's a rhetorical question for you --- "Why are you so stupid?" Thanks for providing the link where I got that!!!!! "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... rhetorical question Huh? /rhetorical question http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/F...0questions.htm -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, One of the prime signs of a dimwit is a post like the one you just made. You have sunk to the lowest depths with John Marshall. This is just evidence that you don't give a damn about the newsgroups, about polluting the newsgroups with worthless garbage and wasting a large volume of bandwidth. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... Steve, One of the greatest assets of a good programmer is the ability to identify patterns. Can you see the pattern below? News Groups ==================================== A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict Can you find the conflicts? If you look at actual threads with conflicts, can you find the ONE common initial element of each thread? Do you ever see Arno R or myself or any others creating conflict without an advertising post first? Think about it... -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message link.net... Duane, Just take a cue from the people who are class acts and quit supporting and promoting Arno R and his band of dimwits. It's that simple. It's not complicated. It's not difficult. You are not impressing anyone siding with Arno R and his band of dimwits. You don't see these class act people siding with Arno R. They adhere to common netiquette rules. Whatever their feelings are, they stick to helping people in the newsgroups. There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together". Everyone is seeing that you are just like Arno R and his band of dimwits. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... Steve, Just start behaving like everyone else. It's that simple. It's not complicated. It's not difficult. Everyone else understands this. Everyone else is very good at complying. Everyone else sticks fairly close to common netiquette rules. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "PC Datasheet" wrote in message ink.net... Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. "Duane Hookom" wrote in message ... I would keep all the data in normalized tables (and ignore or verbally abuse PC Datasheet). tblSamples ================ SampleID Autonumber primary key SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions SampleDate SampleValue If you really need a form like this, consider -writing code that loads your data into a "flat" table for editing more code would be needed to normalize after editing -create an unbound form like a grid of text boxes. use code to fill the grid with data and then to save the data to your normalized table I wrote some code for another poster a while back the filled a bunch of text boxes with customer names and order dates from Northwind. One of the keys was to use a scheme for naming the text boxes as below: txtCust1 txtOrdDate1_1 txtOrdDate1_2 ...etc... txtCust2 txtOrdDate2_1 txtOrdDate2_2 ...etc... txtCust3 txtOrdDate3_1 txtOrdDate3_2 ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... ...etc... The code to fill the text boxes with customers and order dates: Private Sub cmdPullOrderDates_Click() Dim db As DAO.Database Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Dim strSQL As String Dim intCustomer As Integer Dim strCustomer As String Dim intOrder As Integer strSQL = "SELECT CompanyName, OrderDate " & _ "FROM Customers INNER JOIN " & _ "Orders ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID " & _ "ORDER BY CompanyName, OrderDate" Set db = CurrentDb Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL) rs.MoveFirst With rs intCustomer = 0 Do Until .EOF Or intCustomer 2 strCustomer = .Fields("CompanyName") intCustomer = intCustomer + 1 Me("txtCust" & intCustomer) = strCustomer intOrder = 0 Do Until strCustomer .Fields("CompanyName") Or intOrder 4 intOrder = intOrder + 1 Me("txtOrdDate" & intCustomer & "_" & intOrder) = .Fields("OrderDate") .MoveNext Loop Loop .Close End With Set rs = Nothing Set db = Nothing End Sub -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP "Fehn" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access? Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31 Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc : : etc. Thanks. |
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"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
... Keith answers a LOT of questions in the Security newsgroup Steve. Do not ever forget that. And quite a few on here and CDMA. I try not to get *too* involved in the futility of PCD. |
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"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net... Duane, You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others. So now three of your "class acts" have publicly attacked your blatant disregard of the rules. Do you have any comment to make? |
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Thanks Ed!
Case A is what i want to see.... What will happen if there there is another date?? Because what I am trying to do is a form that is updatable and will be seen like this Case A Description 12/1/2005 12/2/2005 12/3/2005.... 12/31/2005 Sample2 3 4 5 .... 6 Sample2 6 7 2 .... 3 Sample2 7 6 3 .... 5 DO you have any suggestion on this? Thanks again. "Ed Warren" wrote: My first thought was to take my non-MVP ideas and stay home, but what fun would that be? In Duane's solution: you may want to consider what happens when you (or others) manage to enter more than one case of Sample2 on the same date. -----------------------------------data structure (Duane) SampleID Autonumber primary key SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions SampleDate SampleValue ------------------------------------------(maybe not if you strictly use Duane's input screen for all data input) Nothing from a data structure perspective prevents this. This could easily be fixed by setting a unique index to the SampleTypeID/date pair. SampleID SampleTypeID SampleDate SampleValue 1 2 12/1/2005 3 2 2 12/1/2005 6 3 2 12/1/2005 7 ---------------------------------------------- Now what do you want to see? Case A Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 3 Sample2 6 Sample2 7 --------------------------- Case B Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 16 (total) ------------------------- Case C Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 3 (count) -------------------------- Case D Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 5.3 (Avg) If Case B,C, or D then you will want to use a pivot table/crosstab query and do the data updates via a simple form. If you really want only one case per day and really need to show it as a matrix as discussed then, with the limit above you will probably want to follow Duane's suggestion, because you will want to query the data for some useful informtion in the future. Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Thanks Duane! That is what I want, I want it to be updatable... I will try other methods that other MVP's suggested.... Thanks again..... "Duane Hookom" wrote: A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly wants a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great for presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they are not updateable. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "Ed Warren" wrote in message ... Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top and left with some data in the center of the table. You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever query and then displaying it in a pivot table. Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access? Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31 Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc : : etc. Thanks. |
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Your data table probably should look like:
TableSamples: SampleID (key) [1,2,3,4,5,6] SampleText [Sample1, Sample2, Sample3...] TableSampleObservations: ObservationID (Key) [1,2,3,4,5,.....n] SampleID (Foreign Key) --refers to the TableSamples [1,2,3,4....] ObservationDate (date/time) [12/1/2005, 12/2/2005, 12/3/2005....] ObservationValue (Number: Integer) [3,4,5,6,6,7,....] Now the question is how to build a form in the format desired then maintain the data in the format above. This will require some VBA coding . Now that we have a better statement of the problem, there may be an Access Wizard out here somewhere that can provide better advice than I can. I would build some temp tables with temp1: ColumnNum: ColumnDate: fill with rows [1,12/1/2005; 2,12/2/2005; 3,12/3/2005....N, 12/N/2005) I would use this as a map to go from a column to a date. this way you can change the dates as required to map to any date in any month Temp2: columns (col1... 31 as required for the month of interest) rows: for each sample mapped to the appropriate dates then build a form based on the temp table then map any changes, additions, deletions back to the basic tables. You might also look for some code that will allow you to 'transpose rows and columns' Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Thanks Ed! Case A is what i want to see.... What will happen if there there is another date?? Because what I am trying to do is a form that is updatable and will be seen like this Case A Description 12/1/2005 12/2/2005 12/3/2005.... 12/31/2005 Sample2 3 4 5 .... 6 Sample2 6 7 2 .... 3 Sample2 7 6 3 .... 5 DO you have any suggestion on this? Thanks again. "Ed Warren" wrote: My first thought was to take my non-MVP ideas and stay home, but what fun would that be? In Duane's solution: you may want to consider what happens when you (or others) manage to enter more than one case of Sample2 on the same date. -----------------------------------data structure (Duane) SampleID Autonumber primary key SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions SampleDate SampleValue ------------------------------------------(maybe not if you strictly use Duane's input screen for all data input) Nothing from a data structure perspective prevents this. This could easily be fixed by setting a unique index to the SampleTypeID/date pair. SampleID SampleTypeID SampleDate SampleValue 1 2 12/1/2005 3 2 2 12/1/2005 6 3 2 12/1/2005 7 ---------------------------------------------- Now what do you want to see? Case A Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 3 Sample2 6 Sample2 7 --------------------------- Case B Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 16 (total) ------------------------- Case C Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 3 (count) -------------------------- Case D Description 12/1/2005 Sample2 5.3 (Avg) If Case B,C, or D then you will want to use a pivot table/crosstab query and do the data updates via a simple form. If you really want only one case per day and really need to show it as a matrix as discussed then, with the limit above you will probably want to follow Duane's suggestion, because you will want to query the data for some useful informtion in the future. Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Thanks Duane! That is what I want, I want it to be updatable... I will try other methods that other MVP's suggested.... Thanks again..... "Duane Hookom" wrote: A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly wants a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great for presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they are not updateable. -- Duane Hookom MS Access MVP -- "Ed Warren" wrote in message ... Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top and left with some data in the center of the table. You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever query and then displaying it in a pivot table. Ed Warren. "Fehn" wrote in message ... Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access? Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31 Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc : : etc. Thanks. |
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