OE6.0 compact question

Hey Heather, how the heck are you? Haven't "talked" with you for ages it
seems. Time marches on.

It seems one thing never changes. Sooner or later all of us end up back here
trying to figure out what the hell Microsoft has changed and sprung on us
this week :-)))))
A very Merry Christmas to you as well, and keep in touch once in a while.
Old friends are good friends.
Dudley

Dudley Henriques
[MVP] Microsoft Flight Simulator



"Heather" wrote in message
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Merry Xmas, Dudley......we keep meeting up on this news group from time to
time. My (hopefully) once a year problem usually....lol.

Best.....Heather

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Thanks Steve;
DH

"Steve Cochran" wrote in message
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Hi Dudley,

Its a new patch to protect the message store when compacting. See
www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#2

steve

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin
as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed
any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting.
DH

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
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You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to click on
Outlook Express so no active folder is open.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley


"Alias" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is
to not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one
thing before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing
open save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave
the recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day,
always working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow
the next day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and
compact for the next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave
again for a repeat the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but
work the recycle bin one day later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley

Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
and disabling/enabling the folder tree.

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing
down my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night
after compacting and check every folder to see that messages are
still intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will
mean I have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to
see if it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are
ALL there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing
unless, for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of
compacting or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot
in the middle of the process or try to do something else like surf the
web when it's in process. When compacting, you should not even touch
your mouse or keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages
from compacting (or anything else for that matter).

Alias
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message ...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle
bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK
extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've
changed any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

Got it Frank, and thanks.
DH

"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of compacting
every night. I do this as the last thing before closing down my system.
Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night after compacting and
check every folder to see that messages are still intact, then go into
the recycle bin and empty it? That will mean I have to go back and open
each and every folder on the bar to see if it's showing messages, and
even then I won't know if they are ALL there.


No. As long as you do not interrupt the compacting process by shutting
down the machine before compacting finished you should be all right,
especially if you click File | Work Offline first.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

Sounds like it's a good idea. I've never gotten bad advice on this group, so
I'll be doing it as well.
DH


"Alias" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it mattered I
guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
Dudley

I don't really know. I read it on an MVP's OE site and have done it ever
since. Perhaps it isn't necessary but it can't hurt ;-)

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
That's my procedure as well. My normal method of using the computer is
to not use any two programs at one time anyway. I always close one
thing before opening another. When I'm using OE, that's the only thing
open save processes running in the background. When I compact at night,
everything is closed to a clean desktop, then I open OE and compact off
line.
I guess with this new update running the baks into the bin, the safest
method to do this now would be to alter the procedure a bit and leave
the recycle bin alone after compaction to be deleted the next day,
always working one day behind for clearing the bin. This would allow
the next day to verify that all is ok with OE; then to close and
compact for the next day, clear the bin first, then compact and leave
again for a repeat the next day. In other words, work OE each day, but
work the recycle bin one day later all the time.
Sound feasible?
Dudley
Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook Express
at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like you,
go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off line
and disabling/enabling the folder tree.

Alias

"Alias" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Frank;

My only question would be a REAL concern about my procedure of
compacting every night. I do this as the last thing before closing
down my system. Does this mean I now have to reopen OE every night
after compacting and check every folder to see that messages are
still intact, then go into the recycle bin and empty it? That will
mean I have to go back and open each and every folder on the bar to
see if it's showing messages, and even then I won't know if they are
ALL there.
Am I missing something here? :-)))))
Dudley
You can wait until the morning but don't empty the recycle bin until
you've checked. That said, I always back up OE before compacting with
another OE back up program. Chances are, nothing will be missing
unless, for example, the lights go off when you're in the middle of
compacting or if you foolishly stop the compacting by doing a reboot
in the middle of the process or try to do something else like surf the
web when it's in process. When compacting, you should not even touch
your mouse or keyboard until it's done. I have never lost messages
from compacting (or anything else for that matter).

Alias
"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
message ...
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle
bin as I manually compress. They show up there with a BAK
extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've
changed any settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to
correct it if it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques

Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Answer in newsgroup. Don't send mail.

I think the problem everyone is stressing is that you don't want anything
downloading into a folder like the inbox as you are compacting. The way I
use OE might be preventing this anyway, as I am configured to check for mail
and everything else for that matter manually. In other words, I don't use
ANY automatic downloads on my system.
Just an individual preference I guess, but it seems to work for me.
I'm not all that savvy on OE, so I have a tendency to do what the folks in
the know suggest. I can't think of anything that clicking on the OE folder
does for me in my scenario, but I'll usually do things that Frank and the
folks suggest anyway just in case they know something I might have missed
:-))
DH


"mae" wrote in message
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I have always had the tree open because I often select individual folder.
--
mae

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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| Thanks Bruce, I'll just click on OE before compacting.
| DH
|
| "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
| ...
| You don't actually have to close the tree, but it is suggested to
click
on
| Outlook Express so no active folder is open.
| --
| Bruce Hagen
| MS-MVP Outlook Express
| ~IB-CA~
|
| "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
| ...
| I've always left the tree there because I didn't know that it
mattered
I
| guess. Is it better to click it closed before compacting? Safer????
| Dudley
|
|
| "Alias" wrote in message
| ...
-snip
| Very. The other thing I do when I compact is to click on Outlook
Express
| at the top of the folder tree, get rid of the folder tree and, like
you,
| go off line. You can put icons on the tool bar for both going off
line
-snip much
| "Alias" wrote in message
| ...
| Dudley Henriques wrote:
| "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" wrote in
| message
...
| "Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
| ...
| Just to add to what Alias and Steve said, this is a Good Thing.

I /knew/ I shoulda checked this newsgroup first before replying to your
thread in AumHa Forums! eg

Heather wrote:
Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was going
on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was the
culprit....

Yeah, but look at all the talent here. (eg) I hate to admit how long I
have known at least 5 of these guys.....back from my Win95 Compaq black
box days. I was so naive!! I've come a long way, Pooh Bear, grin!!

"PA Bear" wrote in message
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I /knew/ I shoulda checked this newsgroup first before replying to your
thread in AumHa Forums! eg

Heather wrote:
Thank goodness I read thru the posts. I just discovered 550 meg of
backed up OE stuff in my Delete Bin and wondered what in h*ll was
going
on. I had removed IE7 (ptui!!) a few days ago and thought that was
the
culprit....

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:30:34 +0100, Alias
wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct it if
it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques



It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
can delete the items in the recycle bin.

Alias

I also noticed a bunch of BAK files after compacting. I had a Windows
Update a few days ago,

How does one disable this wonderfil feature (backup files to Recycle
Bin)?

You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when they
are lost.

I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
~IB-CA~

"Harvey Fenwick Lung" wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 08:30:34 +0100, Alias
wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
I compact folders each night manually in OE and have never had any
issues
with this procedure. The folders compress and that's it.
Just tonight, OE started copying all the dbx files to the recycle bin as
I
manually compress. They show up there with a BAK extension.
Can anyone shed any light on this for me. I don't think I've changed any
settings and this has never happened before.
If possible I need to know what's happening and why and how to correct
it if
it's an issue please.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques



It's an update from Windows Update. Now, when you compact, OE sets the
count back to zero and backs up your messages and puts them in the
recycle bin. It's normal and about time they released it. I've had it
for months. If, after a reboot, your OE hasn't lost any messages, you
can delete the items in the recycle bin.

Alias

I also noticed a bunch of BAK files after compacting. I had a Windows
Update a few days ago,

How does one disable this wonderfil feature (backup files to Recycle
Bin)?

On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 15:17:35 -0800, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

You can't unless you remove the update. It was added as a benefit for the
majority of users that don't back up their files and then complain when they
are lost.

I use this freeware tool. With two clicks and about three seconds, it
empties the Recycle Bin, deletes cookies, History, TIFFs, etc. Whatever you
choose. It can also be set to run at startup.

CCleaner:
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Groan.... it's amazing how everyone just accepts that it does what
it does. They should have sent the files to a "backup" folder, not the
darn recycle bin.,... only 1 set of files, overwrite the old ones if
the data is good.

Someone will come up with a registry hack to disable, I hope.