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  #111  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 05:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gerry[_3_]
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Ron

I have not tested but can accept that compacting one identity will not
compact another. It is logical that switching an identity is eqivalent
to closing an identity. When I have a moment I will test on this
machine.


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Gerry
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Stourport, England
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Ron Sommer wrote:
Gerry,

Doing a manual compaction of all folders and closing OE or switching
Identities will have the result of the compact check count count for
that Identity being 1. Saying yes to run the automatic compaction
will have the result of the compact check count count for that
Identity being 1. So, the 100th close of an Identity after a
compaction close would bring up the compaction message.
Neither manual or automatic compaction changes the compact check
count for other Identities.
Switching Identities increases the compact check count.
If an Identity's compact check count is 100, switching Identities
will bring up the compaction message for that Identity. Click yes
and the compaction occurs, then the selected Identity opens.
Conclusion, closing an Identity 100 times will bring up the compaction
message for that Identity.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Ron

The earlier system of compacting messages in the background was more
correctly described as automatic compaction. The introduction of the
ability to defer makes it not automatic, although the prompt is
automatic.You can have the same debate with the operating system
automatic update process.

The process is commonly referred to as automatic compaction so that
is what we need to call it, otherwise it confuses those less aware
of the finer points.

The prompt comes after shutting down 100 times and when the users
attempts 101. You disgreed earlier with my saying "On closing
Outlook Express 100 times." What I said was correct as the prompt
comes before Outlook Express closes 101 times. This is, however, us
both being pedantic. This statement by you is incorrect "Each OE
Identity has its' own
compact check count, so in actuality, the compact message will
appear after the 101st close of each OE Identity. " There is a
separate count for each identity.

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Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Ron Sommer wrote:
I do not consider the compaction as automatic when the user has to
allow the compaction to occur, however I will yield to the accepted
understanding and say that OE has automatic compaction.
I played with the Compact Check Count and discovered that the count
is increased on shutdown.
What I did reconfirm is that the compact message is on the 101st
shutdown of OE. The count is 100 from the previous shutdown. If no
is selected or the message box cancelled, the compact check count
increments to 101 and continues to increment with each no or close
of the box.
It is easy to change the compact check count to 99, then open and
close OE. The count will now be 100 with no compact message.

Each OE Identity has its' own compact check count, so in actuality,
the compact message will appear after the 101st close of each OE
Identity. The compaction only applies to one Identity.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...
Ron

"I see that you are not using a version of OE that has automatic
compaction. Earlier versions did have automatic compaction"

The generally accepted understanding of automatic compaction is
that the user is prompted to compact after closing Outlook Express
100 times. My version of Outlook Express does this if I allow the
count to reach 100. It is rare for me to allow this to happen as I
manually compact before the count reachs 100. Manual compaction of
all folders resets the count to zero. Manual compaction of some
folders does not reset the count. Please explain the basis of your
assertion that I am not using a version that has automatic
compaction? Are you confusing automatic compaction with compacting
messages in
the background? The former replaced the latter several years ago!
They are not the same. Automatic compaction incorporates the
placement of a backup copy in the recycle bin before each dbx files
is compacted. This feature was not present within compacting
messages in the background! Similarly the optional delete function,
which could be used with compacting messages in the background, is
no longer available for use with automatic compaction. The user has
the option with automatic compaction to defer the process. Whilst
deferral can be on every closure it is only a deferral as the
invitation to compact will occur on every closure until the
invitation is accepted. There was no invitation to compact feature
with compacting messages in the background. You either configured
Outlook Express to use compacting messages in the background or you
chose not to use the feature. "The compaction message will not
appear until the 101st close of
OE." I was disagreeing with this statement! You now seem to be
qualifying the statement without admitting that this is what you
are doing! --



Gerry
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  #112  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 06:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
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That came with SP2 on August 25, 2004. That had no effect on how newsgroup
posts were handled, of course. Back in '04, MSNews was only retaining
messages for 30 days.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Gerry" wrote in message
...

VanguardLH

The changes to Compacting messages in the background were made much later
than 2002! I think sometime between August 2004 and 2006.


--



Gerry
~~~~
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


VanguardLH wrote:

Everyone but you knows that there has been no new code added to OE
since 2002. You see a change in behavior and without any programmer
expertise go claiming there must've been a code change. Despite your
claims that OE has been changed recently, it hasn't changed since
2002.




  #113  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 07:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Neil[_8_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

Sorry. My fingers typed other than my intentions. Google does not
publish
an Operating System; which is the core business of Microsoft.


Microsoft's core businesses are Windows and Office. Losing Office would
be a
very big deal to them. So important is Office that years ago they
invested
in Apple Computer, their chief OS rival, to ensure that Apple didn't go
under, most likely because of all of the Apple Office users.


As I said, I use OpenOffice. Microsoft already faces competition in that
field, and has for a long time.


Most businesses are not going to switch to OpenOffice. Business consumers
are their main source of revenue. A Google product, solidly built, could
draw business customers away.



I am not really interested in web-based OSes. Those would require an
always on Internet connection. In the event that my Internet connection
dies (and it happens about once a month, whether I like it, or not), my
web-based OS would be useless; my computer nothing more than an
expensive
doorstop. I'll stick to a disk-based OS, thank you.


You're completely mistaken here.

First, Chrome (or IE, or Firefox) is not "web-based." You can't have a
web-based browser that's used for browsing the web! The browser is itself
your window to the web. All browsers (including Chrome) are PC-based, and
are installed on the hard drive.


Which requires an Operating System to run.


Missing the point. You said you weren't interested in a web-based OS, but
would stick to a disk-based OS. I said that if Chrome became an OS, it would
be disk-based. All web-browsers are disk-based to being with, not web-based;
so if Chrome became an OS, it would be disk-based.

If Chrome became an OS, it would not "require an Operating System to run";
it would BE an operating system. A machine would boot directly into it, just
like machines now book into Windows or other OS's.

The rest of your post refers to government intrusion and the preference for
offline tools. So I'll leave that in the realm of opinion without a
counterpoint.

Neil



  #114  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 07:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

"Neil" admits defeat, folds up his tent, meekly departs the thread and says
he will no longer listen to or discuss these issues with his interlocutors.

Excellent!

D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

"Neil" wrote in message
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toshsnip


  #115  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 07:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gerry[_3_]
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Bruce

My comment to Vanguard was directed at this statement "Everyone but you
knows that there has been no new code added to OE since 2002."

Quote from one of my posts 28 June 2000.

Messages deleted from the server are automatically deleted from your
newsgroup folder when you next connect and download. The Microsoft
server holds messages for 90 days but other servers hold for lesser
periods. If you wish to retain messages you need to move them to a mail
folder where the process will not affect them.

--



Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bruce Hagen wrote:
That came with SP2 on August 25, 2004. That had no effect on how
newsgroup posts were handled, of course. Back in '04, MSNews was only
retaining messages for 30 days.

"Gerry" wrote in message
...

VanguardLH

The changes to Compacting messages in the background were made much
later than 2002! I think sometime between August 2004 and 2006.


--



Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


VanguardLH wrote:

Everyone but you knows that there has been no new code added to OE
since 2002. You see a change in behavior and without any programmer
expertise go claiming there must've been a code change. Despite
your claims that OE has been changed recently, it hasn't changed
since 2002.



  #116  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 07:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Default OE Is Deleting My NG Headers

Perhaps MS did this in trying to deal with the data file corruption
issue?...

Trying to minimize the bloat.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gerry" wrote in message
...

Bruce

My comment to Vanguard was directed at this statement "Everyone but you
knows that there has been no new code added to OE since 2002."

Quote from one of my posts 28 June 2000.

Messages deleted from the server are automatically deleted from your
newsgroup folder when you next connect and download. The Microsoft
server holds messages for 90 days but other servers hold for lesser
periods. If you wish to retain messages you need to move them to a mail
folder where the process will not affect them.

--
Gerry



  #117  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 08:53 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
NormanM[_2_]
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On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:14:15 -0600, Neil wrote:

Sorry. My fingers typed other than my intentions. Google does not
publish an Operating System; which is the core business of Microsoft.


Microsoft's core businesses are Windows and Office. Losing Office would
be a very big deal to them. So important is Office that years ago they
invested in Apple Computer, their chief OS rival, to ensure that Apple
didn't go under, most likely because of all of the Apple Office users.


As I said, I use OpenOffice. Microsoft already faces competition in that
field, and has for a long time.


Most businesses are not going to switch to OpenOffice. Business consumers
are their main source of revenue. A Google product, solidly built, could
draw business customers away.


Most end users are not in business.

I am not really interested in web-based OSes. Those would require an
always on Internet connection. In the event that my Internet connection
dies (and it happens about once a month, whether I like it, or not), my
web-based OS would be useless; my computer nothing more than an
expensive doorstop. I'll stick to a disk-based OS, thank you.


You're completely mistaken here.

First, Chrome (or IE, or Firefox) is not "web-based." You can't have a
web-based browser that's used for browsing the web! The browser is itself
your window to the web. All browsers (including Chrome) are PC-based, and
are installed on the hard drive.


Which requires an Operating System to run.


Missing the point. You said you weren't interested in a web-based OS, but
would stick to a disk-based OS. I said that if Chrome became an OS, it would
be disk-based. All web-browsers are disk-based to being with, not web-based;
so if Chrome became an OS, it would be disk-based.


I'd still stick with Linux, a venerable operating system which has been
available for years.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #118  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 09:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
D. Spencer Hines[_2_]
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Hilarious!

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:14:15 -0600, Neil wrote:

Sorry. My fingers typed other than my intentions.



  #119  
Old February 2nd, 2009, 11:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gerry[_3_]
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DSH

Go away! Your contribution are not welcome!

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Gerry
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Perhaps MS did this in trying to deal with the data file corruption
issue?...

Trying to minimize the bloat.

DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor

"Gerry" wrote in message
...

Bruce

My comment to Vanguard was directed at this statement "Everyone but
you knows that there has been no new code added to OE since 2002."

Quote from one of my posts 28 June 2000.

Messages deleted from the server are automatically deleted from your
newsgroup folder when you next connect and download. The Microsoft
server holds messages for 90 days but other servers hold for lesser
periods. If you wish to retain messages you need to move them to a
mail folder where the process will not affect them.

--
Gerry



  #120  
Old February 5th, 2009, 09:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
????[_8_]
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?????????????????????????????.??????
"Steve Cochran" ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
...
OE never retained NG messages once they expired off the server. Not even
in OE4.

steve

"Neil" wrote in message
...

"Ron Sommer" wrote in message
...


"Neil" wrote in message
...

OE is doing what a newsreader is supposed to do, keep the messages on
your
computer synched with the newsgroup server.

Again, that was not the way OE used to work. It used to retain all msgs
that were downloaded.

I don't know of any newsreaders that do not sync with the server.
You have not mentioned what news server that you are using.

Why is that germane to the discussion?



The Microsoft server has a 90 day retention period.
--
Ronald Sommer



It is very germane.
You are incorrectly basing your idea of the operation of OE on a news
server that had a long retention period.
I have news servers that have a long retention period.
Because you insist on saying that OE used to keep all posts without
saying what news server that you were using, you haven't proved that
your version of OE works the way that you say.


Well, since OE functionality changed while using the same newsserver, I
assume the issue is with OE. Furthermore, I don't believe retention
period is the issue since, when OE did retain messages, it would retain
them indefinitely, easily at least a year or two. I don't think any
newsserver kept messages that long. So if OE always syncronized with the
NS, then they would have disappeared then, as well.





 




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