Calendar and time sheet

My first thought was to take my non-MVP ideas and stay home, but what fun
would that be?

In Duane's solution: you may want to consider what happens when you (or
others) manage to enter more than one case of Sample2 on the same date.

-----------------------------------data structure (Duane)
SampleID Autonumber primary key
SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions
SampleDate
SampleValue

------------------------------------------(maybe not if you strictly use
Duane's input screen for all data input) Nothing from a data structure
perspective prevents this.
This could easily be fixed by setting a unique index to the
SampleTypeID/date pair.

SampleID SampleTypeID SampleDate SampleValue
1 2 12/1/2005 3
2 2 12/1/2005 6
3 2 12/1/2005 7
----------------------------------------------

Now what do you want to see?
Case A
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 3
Sample2 6
Sample2 7
---------------------------
Case B
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 16 (total)

-------------------------
Case C
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 3 (count)
--------------------------
Case D
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 5.3 (Avg)

If Case B,C, or D then you will want to use a pivot table/crosstab query and
do the data updates via a simple form.
If you really want only one case per day and really need to show it as a
matrix as discussed then, with the limit above you will probably want to
follow Duane's suggestion, because you will want to query the data for some
useful informtion in the future.

Ed Warren.


"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Thanks Duane! That is what I want, I want it to be updatable... I will try
other methods that other MVP's suggested.... Thanks again.....

"Duane Hookom" wrote:

A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly
wants
a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great for
presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they are
not
updateable.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"Ed Warren" wrote in message
...
Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top
and
left with some data in the center of the table.
You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever
query
and then displaying it in a pivot table.

Ed Warren.

"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.

So show me how you'd generate SQL you'd use to retrieve the value from your
denormalized table in the circumstance you just suggested, Steve. With a
normalized table, I'd need a single parameter query, and I'd be done.

You're right: my example wasn't that realistic in terms of being invoked
through a prompt (although there are certainly times when you would want to
determine a date programmatically in terms of nth weekday of the month).

However, Duane's example of "Give me the sum of all of the samples from
November 1st, 2005 to November 15th, 2005" (or, more generically, "Give me
the sum of all of the samples between a day I'm going to select using a
calendar control and another day I'm going to select using a second calendar
control") certainly is realistic. How would you handle that with your
denormalized table? Again, it's a single parameter query with a properly
normalized table.

--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
You wouldn't build a search form that has the user enter "the second
Tuesday of the month". You would pop-up a calendar and have him select the
date. By selecting the date, the user has now selected the Year, Month and
Day. November 8 was the second Tuesday of November. To get the value for
Sample1 for Nonember 8, 2005, all you need is a query to find the record
for Sample1 for the Year 2005, the month of November and Day8. You don't
need more additional code stacked on alot of code to populate a bunch of
text boxes.


--
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help.
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"Douglas J. Steele" wrote in message
...
You can't be serious, Steve! Sure, it may be a little more work setting
up the data input, but by having properly normalized tables, then you
have the data such that you can do any analysis you require. Queries and
reports become easy, so in the unlikely event that it did cost more to
design the input forms, you'd more than make it up on the savings in the
reporting area.

A denormalized table is so inflexible for standard lookups. What if you
need to know the value for Sample1 for the 2nd Tuesday of the month.
What's the SQL for that? In a properly normalized table, the Where clause
would include

Where Description = 'Sample 1' AND MyDate = GetDate(2005, 12, vbTuesday,
2)

where GetDate is:

Function GetDate (WhatYear As Long, _
WhatMonth As Long, _
WhatWeekDay As Long, _
WhatWeekDayOfMonth As Long) As Date

Dim dtmFirstOfMonth As Date

dtmFirstOfMonth = _
DateSerial(WhatYear, WhatMonth, 1)

GetDate = DateAdd("w", _
(WhatWeekDayOfMonth - 1) * 7, _
DateAdd("d", _
(WhatWeekDay - _
Weekday(dtmFirstOfMonth) + 7) Mod 7, _
dtmFirstOfMonth) _
)

End Function

In case the arguments aren't obvious, WhatYear is the year for the date,
WhatMonth is the number of the month (January = 1, February = 2 and so on
to December = 12), WhatWeekDay is the number of the weekday (Sunday = 1,
Monday = 2 and so on to Saturday = 7. Note that these are the same values
as vbSunday, vbMonday, …, vbSaturday) and WhatWeekdayOfMonth is the order
number of the weekday for the month (1 = first occurrence of that weekday
in the month, 2 = second occurrence of that weekday in the month, etc.).


--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)



"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
So your solution is to write a bunch of code to fill a bunch of
textboxes rather that simply using an nonnormalized table. HOW DUMB!! Is
this the way you build applications so you can jack up the cost?

Fehn, there's nothing wrong with using a non-normalized table in this
case. Keep it simple and you get a non-code solution! You get your data
displayed the way you want and it's updateable.

--
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www.pcdatasheet.com

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help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly
wants a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great
for presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they
are not updateable.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"Ed Warren" wrote in message
...
Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top
and left with some data in the center of the table.
You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever
query and then displaying it in a pivot table.

Ed Warren.

"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.

PC Datasheet wrote:
This is totally untrue!!

Keith Wilby would rather spend his time showing
how two-faced he is.


How exactly do you do that? Can you explain it? Thought not. Idiot.

Maybe so. But he is nothing but a trouble maker everywhere else.


"Jeff Conrad" wrote in message
...
"PC Datasheet" wrote in message:
ink.net...

Keith Wilby would rather spend his time showing how two-faced he is.

Keith answers a LOT of questions in the Security newsgroup Steve.
Do not ever forget that.
--
Jeff Conrad
Access Junkie - MVP
http://home.bendbroadband.com/conrad...essjunkie.html
http://www.access.qbuilt.com/html/articles.html

PC Datasheet wrote:
Maybe so. But he is nothing but a trouble maker everywhere else.


Keith answers a LOT of questions in the Security newsgroup Steve.
Do not ever forget that.




Only for you boy, only for you.

Great comments...

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"Ed Warren" wrote in message
...
My first thought was to take my non-MVP ideas and stay home, but what fun
would that be?

In Duane's solution: you may want to consider what happens when you (or
others) manage to enter more than one case of Sample2 on the same date.

-----------------------------------data structure (Duane)
SampleID Autonumber primary key
SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions
SampleDate
SampleValue

------------------------------------------(maybe not if you strictly use
Duane's input screen for all data input) Nothing from a data structure
perspective prevents this.
This could easily be fixed by setting a unique index to the
SampleTypeID/date pair.

SampleID SampleTypeID SampleDate SampleValue
1 2 12/1/2005 3
2 2 12/1/2005 6
3 2 12/1/2005 7
----------------------------------------------

Now what do you want to see?
Case A
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 3
Sample2 6
Sample2 7
---------------------------
Case B
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 16 (total)

-------------------------
Case C
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 3 (count)
--------------------------
Case D
Description 12/1/2005
Sample2 5.3 (Avg)

If Case B,C, or D then you will want to use a pivot table/crosstab query
and do the data updates via a simple form.
If you really want only one case per day and really need to show it as a
matrix as discussed then, with the limit above you will probably want to
follow Duane's suggestion, because you will want to query the data for
some useful informtion in the future.

Ed Warren.


"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Thanks Duane! That is what I want, I want it to be updatable... I will
try
other methods that other MVP's suggested.... Thanks again.....

"Duane Hookom" wrote:

A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly
wants
a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great for
presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they are
not
updateable.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"Ed Warren" wrote in message
...
Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top
and
left with some data in the center of the table.
You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever
query
and then displaying it in a pivot table.

Ed Warren.

"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.

Duane,

One of the prime signs of a dimwit is a post like the one you just made. You
have sunk to the lowest depths with John Marshall.

This is just evidence that you don't give a damn about the newsgroups, about
polluting the newsgroups with worthless garbage and wasting a large volume
of bandwidth.


--
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Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
One of the greatest assets of a good programmer is the ability to identify
patterns. Can you see the pattern below?

News Groups
====================================
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict

Can you find the conflicts? If you look at actual threads with conflicts,
can you find the ONE common initial element of each thread?

Do you ever see Arno R or myself or any others creating conflict without
an advertising post first?

Think about it...
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Duane,

Just take a cue from the people who are class acts and quit supporting
and promoting Arno R and his band of dimwits. It's that simple. It's not
complicated. It's not difficult.

You are not impressing anyone siding with Arno R and his band of dimwits.
You don't see these class act people siding with Arno R. They adhere to
common netiquette rules. Whatever their feelings are, they stick to
helping people in the newsgroups.

There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together". Everyone is
seeing that you are just like Arno R and his band of dimwits.


--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
My fees are very reasonable.


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
Just start behaving like everyone else. It's that simple. It's not
complicated. It's not difficult.

Everyone else understands this. Everyone else is very good at complying.
Everyone else sticks fairly close to common netiquette rules.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with
class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal,
Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and
requesting help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I would keep all the data in normalized tables (and ignore or verbally
abuse PC Datasheet).

tblSamples
================
SampleID Autonumber primary key
SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions
SampleDate
SampleValue

If you really need a form like this, consider
-writing code that loads your data into a "flat" table for editing
more code would be needed to normalize after editing
-create an unbound form like a grid of text boxes.
use code to fill the grid with data and then to
save the data to your normalized table

I wrote some code for another poster a while back the filled a bunch
of text boxes with customer names and order dates from Northwind. One
of the keys was to use a scheme for naming the text boxes as below:

txtCust1 txtOrdDate1_1 txtOrdDate1_2 ...etc...
txtCust2 txtOrdDate2_1 txtOrdDate2_2 ...etc...
txtCust3 txtOrdDate3_1 txtOrdDate3_2 ...etc...
...etc... ...etc... ...etc...
...etc...

The code to fill the text boxes with customers and order dates:
Private Sub cmdPullOrderDates_Click()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim intCustomer As Integer
Dim strCustomer As String
Dim intOrder As Integer
strSQL = "SELECT CompanyName, OrderDate " & _
"FROM Customers INNER JOIN " & _
"Orders ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID " & _
"ORDER BY CompanyName, OrderDate"
Set db = CurrentDb
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveFirst
With rs
intCustomer = 0
Do Until .EOF Or intCustomer 2
strCustomer = .Fields("CompanyName")
intCustomer = intCustomer + 1
Me("txtCust" & intCustomer) = strCustomer
intOrder = 0
Do Until strCustomer .Fields("CompanyName") Or intOrder
4
intOrder = intOrder + 1
Me("txtOrdDate" & intCustomer & "_" & intOrder) =
.Fields("OrderDate")
.MoveNext
Loop
Loop
.Close
End With
Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.

So your "friend" is Arno R!


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
"a bunch of code" "jack up the cost"? I had the form and code created in a
matter of minutes (apparently I work faster than you). I then
provided/donated most of the solution free in this public news group (and
an earlier thread).

The tables were normalized and the data entry met the requirements. I have
done this a few times and it becomes quick and easy. My customers don't
have to pay extra later on when they need to query for all Tuesdays or sum
the values between 5/12 and 5/25. I would NEVER provide a solution to a
client that would work as you proposed.

When I read your post with the "spreadsheet" looking table structure, I
held back from criticizing your solution. Although I vehemently criticize
your advertising, I was too much of a gentleman to criticize your lack of
understanding of application development.

I called you an "idiot" once when you took a friend's statement totally
out of context and then immediately apologized. I have often criticized
actions and have tried to never refer to anyone as "DUMB", "Nitwit", or
other derogatory expressions (although I often think it).

You might get more work if you didn't display a lack of understanding of
news groups and programming.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
So your solution is to write a bunch of code to fill a bunch of textboxes
rather that simply using an nonnormalized table. HOW DUMB!! Is this the
way you build applications so you can jack up the cost?

Fehn, there's nothing wrong with using a non-normalized table in this
case. Keep it simple and you get a non-code solution! You get your data
displayed the way you want and it's updateable.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
A pivot or crosstab was my first thought also. However, Fehn possibly
wants a solution that is "updatable". The pivot and crosstab work great
for presenting the data from a normalized table but unfortunately they
are not updateable.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"Ed Warren" wrote in message
...
Your example looks a lot like a pivot table; some grouping at the top
and left with some data in the center of the table.
You just might be able to get to where you want to be using a clever
query and then displaying it in a pivot table.

Ed Warren.

"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.

On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 19:53:12 GMT, PC Datasheet wrote:

Duane,

You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with class
acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal, Fred G,
Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others.

Steve,
You have gone too far.
To partially quote Joseph Welch --
"... Have you no sense of decency ...?"
Your first reply to the OP was a direct solicitation of business,
without even an attempt to give a workable answer to his question.
This went far beyond your signature solicitation and was totally
uncalled for.

You then assumed my non-participation in calling you to task was some
sort of approval of your behavior. Quite the contrary. I didn't wish
to take up my time, nor the time of others, in what I perceive is a
futile attempt to get you to observe the common courtesies of
participation in an international newsgroup dedicated to 'free'
technical help.

You then went and mentioned my name in an attempt to separate the
posters who have actively called you to task for these solicitations
from those of us, MVP's and others, who for whatever reason chose not
to participate. I can keep quiet no longer.

Steve, after following these many threads in the various Access
newsgroups over the past months, I can surely state that there is more
class in the fingertips of Arno, Duane, John, Randy, Keith and Jeff,
(and I'm sure lot's others who have not been actively participating
in this 'discussion'), than you have in your whole body.

You see, it's not just a matter of what you 'can or can't do,' it's a
matter of what you 'should or should not do' that separates 'Class
Acts' from the rest.

In a later post in this thread your wrote:
"There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together".

I agree. I'm very happy to be associated with Arno, Duane, et alia.
Believe me, it's much better to be an eagle than a turkey!
--
Fred
Please respond only to this newsgroup.
I do not reply to personal e-mail

rhetorical question
Huh?
/rhetorical question
http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/F...0questions.htm
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

One of the prime signs of a dimwit is a post like the one you just made.
You have sunk to the lowest depths with John Marshall.

This is just evidence that you don't give a damn about the newsgroups,
about polluting the newsgroups with worthless garbage and wasting a large
volume of bandwidth.


--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
One of the greatest assets of a good programmer is the ability to
identify patterns. Can you see the pattern below?

News Groups
====================================
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: no advertising: No conflict
A question is posted: advertising: Lots of conflict

Can you find the conflicts? If you look at actual threads with conflicts,
can you find the ONE common initial element of each thread?

Do you ever see Arno R or myself or any others creating conflict without
an advertising post first?

Think about it...
--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
link.net...
Duane,

Just take a cue from the people who are class acts and quit supporting
and promoting Arno R and his band of dimwits. It's that simple. It's not
complicated. It's not difficult.

You are not impressing anyone siding with Arno R and his band of
dimwits. You don't see these class act people siding with Arno R. They
adhere to common netiquette rules. Whatever their feelings are, they
stick to helping people in the newsgroups.

There's an old saying, "birds of a feather flock together". Everyone is
seeing that you are just like Arno R and his band of dimwits.


--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and requesting
help.
My fees are very reasonable.


"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
Steve,
Just start behaving like everyone else. It's that simple. It's not
complicated. It's not difficult.

Everyone else understands this. Everyone else is very good at
complying. Everyone else sticks fairly close to common netiquette
rules.

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP
--

"PC Datasheet" wrote in message
ink.net...
Duane,

You continue to demonstrate that you are not even in the league with
class acts like Allen Browne, Ken Snell, Pieter Linden, Albert Kallal,
Fred G, Graham Mandello, Chuck Grimsby, MG Foster, and others.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications

www.pcdatasheet.com

Over 1050 users have come from the newsgroups trusting me and
requesting help.
My fees are very reasonable.



"Duane Hookom" wrote in message
...
I would keep all the data in normalized tables (and ignore or verbally
abuse PC Datasheet).

tblSamples
================
SampleID Autonumber primary key
SampleTypeID link to table containing descriptions
SampleDate
SampleValue

If you really need a form like this, consider
-writing code that loads your data into a "flat" table for editing
more code would be needed to normalize after editing
-create an unbound form like a grid of text boxes.
use code to fill the grid with data and then to
save the data to your normalized table

I wrote some code for another poster a while back the filled a bunch
of text boxes with customer names and order dates from Northwind. One
of the keys was to use a scheme for naming the text boxes as below:

txtCust1 txtOrdDate1_1 txtOrdDate1_2 ...etc...
txtCust2 txtOrdDate2_1 txtOrdDate2_2 ...etc...
txtCust3 txtOrdDate3_1 txtOrdDate3_2 ...etc...
...etc... ...etc... ...etc... ...etc...

The code to fill the text boxes with customers and order dates:
Private Sub cmdPullOrderDates_Click()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
Dim strSQL As String
Dim intCustomer As Integer
Dim strCustomer As String
Dim intOrder As Integer
strSQL = "SELECT CompanyName, OrderDate " & _
"FROM Customers INNER JOIN " & _
"Orders ON Customers.CustomerID = Orders.CustomerID " & _
"ORDER BY CompanyName, OrderDate"
Set db = CurrentDb
Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(strSQL)
rs.MoveFirst
With rs
intCustomer = 0
Do Until .EOF Or intCustomer 2
strCustomer = .Fields("CompanyName")
intCustomer = intCustomer + 1
Me("txtCust" & intCustomer) = strCustomer
intOrder = 0
Do Until strCustomer .Fields("CompanyName") Or intOrder
4
intOrder = intOrder + 1
Me("txtOrdDate" & intCustomer & "_" & intOrder) =
.Fields("OrderDate")
.MoveNext
Loop
Loop
.Close
End With
Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing
End Sub

--
Duane Hookom
MS Access MVP


"Fehn" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know how to make this possible ad updatable in MS
Access?

Description - 12/1 - 12/2 - 12/3...... 12/31
Sample1 - 2 - - 5 .....etc
Sample2 - 6 - 8 - 3 .....etc
:
:
etc.


Thanks.