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Orphan Control with Frames
Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document,
orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next." Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution. Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs. Thanks |
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Orphan Control with Frames
Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a
workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Rick" wrote: Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document, orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next." Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution. Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs. Thanks |
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Orphan Control with Frames
I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases
its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had a frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's not ideal. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Rick" wrote: Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document, orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next." Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution. Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs. Thanks |
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Orphan Control with Frames
Thank you for the explanation, which certainly sounds likely (but it's still
annoying). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had a frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's not ideal. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Rick" wrote: Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document, orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next." Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution. Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs. Thanks |
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Orphan Control with Frames
IIRC, it's very apparent if you view the page in Normal view (where frames
are not in place); the line breaks of course are different since the lines are wrapping to full margin width, and you can see that Word thinks there will be two lines before a page break where there in fact is only one (because lines above, wrapping shorter, have pushed the text down). -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Thank you for the explanation, which certainly sounds likely (but it's still annoying). -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote in message ... I think Word has trouble calculating line lengths next to frames and bases its page breaks on where the line breaks would be if the frame were not there. I noticed this many years ago when I was using stationery that had a frame creating an artificially wide left margin on the first page and decided it was something I'd just have to live with, though of course it's not ideal. -- Suzanne S. Barnhill Microsoft MVP (Word) Words into Type Fairhope, Alabama USA http://word.mvps.org "Stefan Blom" wrote in message ... Word seems to have difficulties handling this correctly. I don't know of a workaround other than the ones you have already mentioned. -- Stefan Blom Microsoft Word MVP "Rick" wrote: Using Word 2003, whenever I try to use frames for images in my document, orphan/widow control no longer works. That is, if I have a paragraph that starts near a figure at the bottom of the page or ends near a figure at the top of a page, Word will gladly allow a widow or orphan line, even though that option is checked. Additionally, frames seems to make Word ignore other paragraph flow operators like "Keep with next." Are there any work-arounds? For now I've just been playing with the length of paragraphs manually by adjusting spacing between sections etc. to prevent single lines. But I'd like a long-term automatic solution. Please don't suggest using in-line images. I need images at the top or bottom of a page regardless of whether I'm between paragraphs, and I'm not interested in faking it by manually splitting paragraphs. Thanks |
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