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  #21  
Old November 16th, 2006, 12:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Bob Phillips
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Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

You are flogging a dead horse

Bob

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
Hi Biff,
base on your experience in the forum, do you think i need to re-post this

to
have the MVP rechecking attention tomorrow ?

"Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't think

they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP




  #22  
Old November 16th, 2006, 12:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
4pinoy
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then Bob, How come you are still here?

"Bob Phillips" wrote:

You are flogging a dead horse

Bob

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
Hi Biff,
base on your experience in the forum, do you think i need to re-post this

to
have the MVP rechecking attention tomorrow ?

"Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't think

they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP





  #23  
Old November 16th, 2006, 12:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
4pinoy
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Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

gotto sleep...I'll be back on the thread tomorrow or post it back
again...thanks a lot for your sincere participation...

"4pinoy" wrote:

then Bob, How come you are still here?

"Bob Phillips" wrote:

You are flogging a dead horse

Bob

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
Hi Biff,
base on your experience in the forum, do you think i need to re-post this

to
have the MVP rechecking attention tomorrow ?

"Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't think

they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP





  #24  
Old November 16th, 2006, 03:32 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Biff
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Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

I would occasionally "check-mark replies". I used to access through the
"old" web interface. It wasn't as bad as this newer version. When MS dumped
the older version I switched to using OE.

I think that having an MVP "endorse" or "approve" replies is a good idea.

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
Do what?

Use the CDO interface?

Surely you jest.

Or maybe I should have said "check-marking of replies".


Gord



On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:48:10 -0500, "Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
. ..
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't think
they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:39:02 -0800, 4pinoy

wrote:

Lets hope Jim that this thread will close with a checked mark....I will
leave
it for the MVP's because I really dont know which one from above is the
correct one.

"MVPs can also mark a reply post in a question thread as an answer"...

more power, thanks to all...

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote:

The check marks on this site are not added by the MVP's. They are
added
by
the person asking the question. If they found the answer provided to
be
helpful then they can Select "Yes" at the bottom where it asks "Was
this
post
helpful to you?". That adds the checkmark which is then attributed to
the
person who supplied the answer. Based on the number of helpful posts
given a
medal (gold, silver or bronze) may show up beside their name...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"4pinoy" wrote:

I am not questioning about the whole products...I am pertaining only
on the
formula structuring of excel - no more no less.
Since I use excel, I hade never experienced a fault on formula
structuing
huided by the help files...I consider the help files as a true
guarantee on a
cautiously made spreadsheet.. Out from the help files,,,I cannot do
it
ay all.

Also
see : https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvptechres
I've scanned thru the above site and found out the
certifications/licensing/opportunities/rights/entitlements for MVP
directly.
Hence I suppose that all of checked suggestions are responsive and
linked
with microsoft excel formula structuring.

You can also see from other page where the forum's page with rules
of
conduct and other matters about microsoft role on this forum
together
with
MVP's who can control the forum in checking and unchecking....
I hope that everything is linked together, same with the basics of
excel
formula structuring...
My question is still unanswered, if 3rd party is not a part, then
why
check
it ?



"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:01:03 -0800, 4pinoy

wrote:

Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a
simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain
from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program
considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested
formula
building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any
excel
upgrade?


NO


2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not
covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this
microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be
integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any
suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or
distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the
future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained
formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is
based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..

It seems you completely misunderstand the nature of the forum.
Although MS
provides the server space, this forum is about users helping
users.

The "guarantees" are worth what you pay for them; and I'm sure
some
will offer
you double-your-money-back if you are not satisfied.
--ron






  #25  
Old November 16th, 2006, 03:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Biff
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Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

Well, several MVP's have already replied and I agree with what they've said.
As to the subject of the post, there are no guarantees!

Biff

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
Hi Biff,
base on your experience in the forum, do you think i need to re-post this
to
have the MVP rechecking attention tomorrow ?

"Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't think
they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:39:02 -0800, 4pinoy

wrote:

Lets hope Jim that this thread will close with a checked mark....I will
leave
it for the MVP's because I really dont know which one from above is the
correct one.

"MVPs can also mark a reply post in a question thread as an answer"...

more power, thanks to all...

"Jim Thomlinson" wrote:

The check marks on this site are not added by the MVP's. They are
added
by
the person asking the question. If they found the answer provided to
be
helpful then they can Select "Yes" at the bottom where it asks "Was
this
post
helpful to you?". That adds the checkmark which is then attributed to
the
person who supplied the answer. Based on the number of helpful posts
given a
medal (gold, silver or bronze) may show up beside their name...
--
HTH...

Jim Thomlinson


"4pinoy" wrote:

I am not questioning about the whole products...I am pertaining
only
on the
formula structuring of excel - no more no less.
Since I use excel, I hade never experienced a fault on formula
structuing
huided by the help files...I consider the help files as a true
guarantee on a
cautiously made spreadsheet.. Out from the help files,,,I cannot do
it
ay all.

Also
see : https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/mvptechres
I've scanned thru the above site and found out the
certifications/licensing/opportunities/rights/entitlements for MVP
directly.
Hence I suppose that all of checked suggestions are responsive and
linked
with microsoft excel formula structuring.

You can also see from other page where the forum's page with rules
of
conduct and other matters about microsoft role on this forum
together
with
MVP's who can control the forum in checking and unchecking....
I hope that everything is linked together, same with the basics of
excel
formula structuring...
My question is still unanswered, if 3rd party is not a part, then
why
check
it ?



"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:01:03 -0800, 4pinoy

wrote:

Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as
a
simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain
from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program
considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested
formula
building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any
excel
upgrade?


NO


2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not
covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this
microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be
integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain
any
suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or
distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the
future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained
formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support
files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is
based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..

It seems you completely misunderstand the nature of the forum.
Although MS
provides the server space, this forum is about users helping
users.

The "guarantees" are worth what you pay for them; and I'm sure
some
will offer
you double-your-money-back if you are not satisfied.
--ron







  #26  
Old November 16th, 2006, 07:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Epinn
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Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.

When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface. I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day, I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or Google.

I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand. Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay for service.

About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?

I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else would probably catch it.

I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.

Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended *warranty*; it's a waste of money!

I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......

Epinn

"4pinoy" wrote in message ...
Considering that we are under the Microsoft Forum Domain and as a simple
excel user. I need to know what are the guarantee we can obtain from 3rd
party Add Ins or formula building in standard excel program considering the
following.
1. Excel program always upgrade itself..Will the suggested formula building
thru 3rd party suggestions be guaranteed as integral part of any excel
upgrade?
2. If there are formula suggested under this forum that are not covered by
the Help Files samples and Function description, will this microsoft forum
guarantee the CHECKED MARKS and such checked marks will be integral to all
the succeeding microsoft Upgrades. I am not foolish to obtain any suggestion
even they are CHECKED if these suggestions are not explained or distinguished
precisely by microsoft help files considering the risk in the future that I
may not able to use the old MS files, utilizing unexplained formula
structuring by the excel programmers himself or MS Support files.
I hope you can bother to give comments since excel's future is based on the
present.
thanks for any clear and guaranteed reply..


  #27  
Old November 16th, 2006, 10:46 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Bob Phillips
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Posts: 1,032
Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs


"Biff" wrote in message
...
I would occasionally "check-mark replies". I used to access through the
"old" web interface. It wasn't as bad as this newer version. When MS

dumped
the older version I switched to using OE.

I think that having an MVP "endorse" or "approve" replies is a good idea.


I disagree. MVPs carry no more authority than anyone else, the award is
based upon their readiness to support communities, and the amount that they
do. Quality is an element, but there is no benchmark that I know of
associated with the award. There is no suggestion that an MVP is smarter,
better at Excel, or anything else than say you for an example.

The thought that an MVPs answer or opinion but come to be regards as the
'right' response just because they be an MVP sends a shiver down my spine.

I would also guess that there would be few MVPs who would care to be
carrying out the admin task of endorsing or approving the reply. What
happens when an MVP endorses a reply and it is wrong?




  #28  
Old November 16th, 2006, 10:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Bob Phillips
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Because I am interested in what the others have to say. Your point is well
intentioned but misguided IMO, but I can still listen to you.

--

HTH

Bob Phillips

(replace xxxx in the email address with gmail if mailing direct)

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
then Bob, How come you are still here?

"Bob Phillips" wrote:

You are flogging a dead horse

Bob

"4pinoy" wrote in message
...
Hi Biff,
base on your experience in the forum, do you think i need to re-post

this
to
have the MVP rechecking attention tomorrow ?

"Biff" wrote:

If I was an MVP I would!

Biff

"Gord Dibben" gorddibbATshawDOTca wrote in message
...
I don't know of too many MVP's using the CDO interface so don't

think
they
are
doing much checking of replies.


Gord Dibben MS Excel MVP







  #29  
Old November 16th, 2006, 10:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Bob Phillips
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Posts: 1,032
Default A ? for our Excel Guru's and MVPs

Well said. Encapsulates my views, but more eloquently said.

Bob

"Epinn" wrote in message
...
I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.

When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web interface.
I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One day,
I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do
what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on, I
have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or
Google.

I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various
solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the consequence
of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a
helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand.
Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money? I
am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I pay
for service.

About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a fan
of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only
confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean a
lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?

I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I get
from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else
would probably catch it.

I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.

Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with extended
*warranty*; it's a waste of money!

I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......

Epinn



  #30  
Old November 16th, 2006, 01:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.excel.misc,microsoft.public.excel.worksheet.functions
Don Guillett
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I also agree and would like to point out that many times there is no
"correct" answer because, as we all know, there are many ways to do the same
thing in Excel. All correct. And, since we are all human, we all make
mistakes. I sometimes catch others mistakes and they catch mine. This is
helpful to all, including you.

--
Don Guillett
SalesAid Software

"Bob Phillips" wrote in message
...
Well said. Encapsulates my views, but more eloquently said.

Bob

"Epinn" wrote in message
...
I am a regular user of this forum and I would like to say something.

When I first started using MS newsgroup(s), I did it through web
interface.
I made a point to rate the answers so as to show my appreciation. One
day,
I realize that most experts, MVP's etc. don't use web interface. So, I do
what the experts do and I have switched to OE, Google etc. From then on,
I
have stopped rating the answers as there is no way to do it through OE or
Google.

I always believe that the poster is free to choose from the various
solutions suggested by the gurus. He/she is responsible for the
consequence
of his/her decision. Anyone who provides an answer is a volunteer with a
helping heart. I don't pay anyone any money and therefore I don't demand.
Do Excel consultants provide guarantees when clients pay them big money?
I
am not sure. Outside MS, I constantly find bugs in systems even when I
pay
for service.

About the Excel Help, I have found more mistakes than I want to. I am a
fan
of SUMPRODUCT which is not truly explained in the Help files. If I only
confine myself to the Help files I would have missed out a lot and I mean
a
lot. Shall we include the SUMPRODUCT paper as part of Excel Help?

I always look for quality and I am happy with the advice and guidance I
get
from this forum. If one expert inadvertently made a typo, someone else
would probably catch it.

I am not sure what you are *truly* after. Life is full of risks.

Off topic - The consumer report says that we shouldn't bother with
extended
*warranty*; it's a waste of money!

I thought I could keep quiet for a few days ......

Epinn





 




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