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  #21  
Old March 27th, 2008, 02:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
MEB
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Default Inbox contents simply vanished


Try MiTeC OEView.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Larry" wrote in message
...
| I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
| determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
|
| By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.
|
| 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
and
| run
| it
|
| I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
| instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.
|
|
| "dadiOH" wrote in message
| ...
| Larry wrote:
| Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
| solvable.
|
| 1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
| MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
| and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
| problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
| since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.
|
| 2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
| only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
| returned.
|
| I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
| determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
| ________________
|
| 3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
| received since this morning.
|
| Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
determine
| messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF
in
| the wrong place/
| __________________
|
| This is what I'd do...
|
| 1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere
|
| 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and
| run
| it
|
| 3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (
| i.e.,
| *.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.
|
| If not successful, forget what follows.
|
| 4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer
|
| 5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty
|
| 6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop
| folder
| and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.
|
| 7. Close OE
|
| dadiOH
|
|
|


  #22  
Old March 27th, 2008, 02:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
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Default Inbox contents simply vanished

Your only choice now is to find instructions for Macallan and run it on this
Saved Mail folder. Also remember that if you delete all messages from a
folder, the size won't change until you compact, so it is possible that
there is nothing in this folder to extract. If that is the case, only
DBXpress run in Extract From Disk mode has a chance as it reads directly
from the HDD and does not depend on the message being in the dbx file.

I'm sorry I can't be more encouraging. I would say you have been very lucky
up until now. You are going to have to start keeping OE neater, and back it
up reguarly. When I open my Inbox, I read the mail and then either delete it
or move it. The Inbox and Sent Items are the folders most likely to see
corruption as they are accessed the most.

Also, you had 120MB, + or - in the Inbox for what you say was about one
month. That's a lot. My entire Outlook Express message store is only 231MB
right now and I haven't compacted in a few days.

I'll leave for now with my previous warning, but if you have any more
questions, please do post back.

General precautions for Outlook Express:

Do not archive mail in default OE folders. They will eventually become
corrupt. Create your own user defined folders for storing mail and move your
mail to them. Empty Deleted Items folder regularly. Keep user created
folders under 100MB, and Default folders as empty as is feasible.

After you are done, follow up by compacting your folders manually while
working *offline* and do it often.

Click on Outlook Express at the top of the folder tree so no folders are
open. Then: File | Work Offline (or double click Working Online in the
Status Bar). File | Folder | Compact all folders. Don't touch anything until
the compacting is completed.

Turn off e-mail scanning in your anti-virus program. It is a redundant layer
of protection that eats up CPUs and causes a multitude of problems such as
time-outs and account setting changes. Your up-to-date A/V program will
continue to protect you sufficiently. For more, see:
http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3

In Tools | Options | Maintenance: Uncheck Compact messages in background and
leave it unchecked. {N/A if running XP/SP2}.

And backup often.

Backup & Resto
http://www.insideoe.com/backup/

This is a great two click program:

Outlook Express Quick Backup (OEQB)
http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Larry" wrote in message
...

Bruce,

I've done all the steps.

Nothing appears in the Saved Mail folder. Also, when I open Saved
Mail.dbx,
it's the same as befo even though the file is 1.24 MB, there are just
the e-mails from yesterday.

I've moved the Saved Mail.dbx back to Desktop.

Until tomorrow.

Many thanks for your help.

Larry




"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
This gets stranger by the moment and is truly unique. (Unless you are
looking in message store folders for two different identities). I have

never
seen the size of a dbx file get small, and then large again to the extent
you say. If it was me, this is what I would do.

Create a new folder and move all your existing Inbox mail to it so you at
least don't lose that.

Close OE and in Windows Explorer, drag the Inbox.dbx file to the Desktop.
Rename the Inbox.dbx file on the Desktop to Saved Mail.dbx. A new, empty
Inbox will be created when you open OE.

Open OE and create a folder called Saved Mail. Open the new folder and

then
close OE. (You must do this). Go back to Windows Explorer and expand the
path to the Message Store folder for your OE identity, but don't open it.
Click on the Desktop and drag the file from the Desktop in the right hand
pane to the OE store folder in the left pane. Prompt - "Do you want to
overwrite......."? Click Yes.

Do the messages appear in the Saved Mail folder? If not, drag it back out

of
the message store to the Desktop for safe keeping while we figure out

where
to go next.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA



"Larry" wrote in message
...


Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90 MB.
As
I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks and then
move

a
lot of it into a custom folder. But after the problem occurred, the

Inbox
was 130 KB. After I received e-mails since this morning, it went up to
about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only
Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's returned.

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails

received
since this morning.

4. When I click on a .dbx file (no matter how small), I get a message
saying "this is too large to open with NOtepad. Open with Wordpad?"

When
I
say yes, it opens in Wordpad, and the top of the file is just box
characters, but if I scroll down a ways, there is e-mails, html code
and
so
on.

5. However, if I do the same with Inbox.dbx, all it seems to show is
today's handful of e-mails, rather than the vast store of e-mails from

the
last month. Yet the file has 1.24 MB.



  #23  
Old March 27th, 2008, 03:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
dadiOH[_2_]
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Default Inbox contents simply vanished

Larry wrote:
Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
returned.


I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
________________

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
received since this morning.


Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to determine
messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF in
the wrong place/
__________________

This is what I'd do...

1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and run
it

3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL ( i.e.,
*.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.

If not successful, forget what follows.

4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer

5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty

6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop folder
and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.

7. Close OE

dadiOH


  #24  
Old March 27th, 2008, 03:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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I don't understand why you can't believe that "yesterday's" email can't be
1.24 MB. Any messages with images embedded or attached?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Larry" wrote in message
...
I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you

determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?

By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files

and

run
it


I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.


"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
returned.


I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
________________

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
received since this morning.


Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
determine
messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF
in
the wrong place/
__________________

This is what I'd do...

1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and

run
it

3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (

i.e.,
*.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.

If not successful, forget what follows.

4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer

5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty

6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop

folder
and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.

7. Close OE

dadiOH




  #26  
Old March 27th, 2008, 07:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Bruce Hagen
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Posts: 7,956
Default Inbox contents simply vanished

And my eyeballs were wavering. I read it as 124MB. I just now got back from
having an eye exam too. VBEG
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I don't understand why you can't believe that "yesterday's" email can't be
1.24 MB. Any messages with images embedded or attached?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Larry" wrote in message
...
I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you

determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?

By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
and

run
it


I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.


"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
returned.

I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
________________

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
received since this morning.

Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
determine
messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF
in
the wrong place/
__________________

This is what I'd do...

1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and

run
it

3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (

i.e.,
*.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.

If not successful, forget what follows.

4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer

5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty

6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop

folder
and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.

7. Close OE

dadiOH





  #27  
Old March 27th, 2008, 08:40 PM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Franc Zabkar
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Posts: 2
Default Inbox contents simply vanished

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:40:58 -0400, "Larry"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

The way this happened was: my computer froze last night and I restarted it
by pressing the external restart button on the tower, which I regularly do
when the computer freezes, which happens fairly frequently (Win 98!). But
there was no compacting of OE going on at the time.


Did Scandisk run after the restart? Did it detect any lost clusters
and offer to save them as file fragments? Are there any filennnn.chk
files in the root directory?

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
  #28  
Old March 28th, 2008, 01:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
Gary S. Terhune[_2_]
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Posts: 8
Default Inbox contents simply vanished

Yeah, I woulda said, "Eureka!", too if I'd read it as 124!

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...
And my eyeballs were wavering. I read it as 124MB. I just now got back
from having an eye exam too. VBEG
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Gary S. Terhune" none wrote in message
...
I don't understand why you can't believe that "yesterday's" email can't be
1.24 MB. Any messages with images embedded or attached?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Larry" wrote in message
...
I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did
you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?

By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
and
run
it

I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.


"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
returned.

I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
________________

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
received since this morning.

Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
determine
messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF
in
the wrong place/
__________________

This is what I'd do...

1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and
run
it

3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (
i.e.,
*.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.

If not successful, forget what follows.

4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer

5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty

6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop
folder
and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.

7. Close OE

dadiOH






  #29  
Old March 28th, 2008, 04:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
bobster
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Posts: 11
Default Inbox contents simply vanished

Try this. It's the successor to MiTec OE view. I use it and it works fine
for me.

http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dbxviewer.html

"Larry" wrote in message
...
I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you

determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?

By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and

run
it


I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.


"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
solvable.

1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.

2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
returned.


I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
________________

3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
received since this morning.


Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to determine
messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF in
the wrong place/
__________________

This is what I'd do...

1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere

2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and

run
it

3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (

i.e.,
*.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.

If not successful, forget what follows.

4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer

5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty

6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop

folder
and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.

7. Close OE

dadiOH



  #30  
Old March 28th, 2008, 08:51 AM posted to microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress
MEB
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Posts: 3
Default Inbox contents simply vanished

Interesting, I find MiTeC's newest is 2007. The original site shows activity
as of 29.12.2007 with the OE Viewer updated 03-05-07.
http://www.mitec.cz/oeview.html

The supposed successor is Last updated Aug 16, 2006 so SnapFiles is
apparently not up to date.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________


"bobster" wrote in message
...
| Try this. It's the successor to MiTec OE view. I use it and it works
fine
| for me.
|
| http://www.snapfiles.com/get/dbxviewer.html
|
| "Larry" wrote in message
| ...
| I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
| determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
|
| By seeing the size of the Inbox.dbx file in Windows Explorer.
|
| 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files
and
| run
| it
|
| I did try OE Extract and it doesn't do anything and provides no
| instructions, so I guess one of the nonfreeware apps is next.
|
|
| "dadiOH" wrote in message
| ...
| Larry wrote:
| Strange things going on (see below), but I think the problem may be
| solvable.
|
| 1. The Inbox, prior to the problem, would have been around 80 or 90
| MB. As I said, my procedure is to let it build up for a few weeks
| and then move a lot of it into a custom folder. But after the
| problem occurred, the Inbox was 130 KB. After I received e-mails
| since this morning, it went up to about 400 KB.
|
| 2. But here's the strange thing: just now I looked again, and the
| only Inbox.dbx in the OE folder has 1.24 MB!!! So somehow it's
| returned.
|
| I haven't been following this thread but this confuses me. How did you
| determine the size of it when it was 400KB? And when it was 1.24 MB?
| ________________
|
| 3. Yet the Inbox in the OE application is still just the e-mails
| received since this morning.
|
| Because it is screwed up. That is, whatever methodology used to
determine
| messages start/end and/or count is wrong. Like a file that has its EOF
in
| the wrong place/
| __________________
|
| This is what I'd do...
|
| 1. Save a copy of Inbox.dbx somewhere
|
| 2. Get any of the many programs to extract messages from .dbx files and
| run
| it
|
| 3. If it is successful in getting your messages, save them as MAIL (
| i.e.,
| *.eml - separate, discrete messages) in a folder on your desktop.
|
| If not successful, forget what follows.
|
| 4. Delete Inbox.dbx using Explorer
|
| 5. Open OE and display its Inbox - which should now be empty
|
| 6. Select all the recovered email messages in your temporary desktop
| folder
| and drag them to the OE pane where they would normally be displayed.
|
| 7. Close OE
|
| dadiOH
|
|
|


 




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