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support scenario for vista and office 2007
it will not ditch it beacause its too late however i see 2 things happening:
1) In a service pack they will introduce the ability to go back to the older gui 2) They will add the ability to customize the ribbon. If I can customize all the elements (icons and sizes) it could be usable. People will request it.. no demand this from microsoft and even though we all know how much attention ms gives to the users.. they will be forced to impliment these 2. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to get the message across and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake from scratch. You are addressing the wrong audience. You are only talking with peers, namely users like you. Microsoft doesn't check these newsgroups nor does anyone of us work for Microsoft. The only people replying to your posts are peers volunteering their time. It would be nice and appropriate if you treated us with some respect and post in a positive manner, as we are then more inclined to have a discussion with you about this topic. Just to be clear though: Microsoft won't ditch the ribbon for Office 2007 and most of what you see is going to stay the way it is or has been announced right now. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007
I doubt they'll ever go back to the old UI - the old command bars
don't offer the same capabilities as the ribbon. As much as I didn't like it at first there are some pretty cool new features and actually, the more I use it the more it grows on me. I think I'm diggin' the galleries and live preview the most. I've never been much for eye-candy but the way the galleries change, such as table styles, shape styles, QuickParts (AutoText), with the document theme makes it simple to insert new elements that are already formatted and live preview makes it easy to select a format. Previously I had a macro that I would use to type some text and then the macro would create a new document with the text in all of the fonts. Seriously! Personally, I tend to leave the ribbon minimized and have added all of the commands/groups I use the most to the QAT. Funny how it bears an odd resemblance to my toolbar in the previous versions. ;-) And I've started adding/removing various commands to the QAT depending on what type of work I'm doing since it's as easy as a right-clicking the command you want to add or remove. I have my fingers crossed that they will include the ability to easily customize the ribbon as a standard component - I'd even be happy if they created with an add-in. I do know they've heard feedback on this aspect many, many times so we can only wait and see. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John Jay Smith" - wrote in message ... it will not ditch it beacause its too late however i see 2 things happening: 1) In a service pack they will introduce the ability to go back to the older gui 2) They will add the ability to customize the ribbon. If I can customize all the elements (icons and sizes) it could be usable. People will request it.. no demand this from microsoft and even though we all know how much attention ms gives to the users.. they will be forced to impliment these 2. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to get the message across and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake from scratch. You are addressing the wrong audience. You are only talking with peers, namely users like you. Microsoft doesn't check these newsgroups nor does anyone of us work for Microsoft. The only people replying to your posts are peers volunteering their time. It would be nice and appropriate if you treated us with some respect and post in a positive manner, as we are then more inclined to have a discussion with you about this topic. Just to be clear though: Microsoft won't ditch the ribbon for Office 2007 and most of what you see is going to stay the way it is or has been announced right now. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007
someone here is creating an add in for the customization of the ribbon.
"Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I doubt they'll ever go back to the old UI - the old command bars don't offer the same capabilities as the ribbon. As much as I didn't like it at first there are some pretty cool new features and actually, the more I use it the more it grows on me. I think I'm diggin' the galleries and live preview the most. I've never been much for eye-candy but the way the galleries change, such as table styles, shape styles, QuickParts (AutoText), with the document theme makes it simple to insert new elements that are already formatted and live preview makes it easy to select a format. Previously I had a macro that I would use to type some text and then the macro would create a new document with the text in all of the fonts. Seriously! Personally, I tend to leave the ribbon minimized and have added all of the commands/groups I use the most to the QAT. Funny how it bears an odd resemblance to my toolbar in the previous versions. ;-) And I've started adding/removing various commands to the QAT depending on what type of work I'm doing since it's as easy as a right-clicking the command you want to add or remove. I have my fingers crossed that they will include the ability to easily customize the ribbon as a standard component - I'd even be happy if they created with an add-in. I do know they've heard feedback on this aspect many, many times so we can only wait and see. Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John Jay Smith" - wrote in message ... it will not ditch it beacause its too late however i see 2 things happening: 1) In a service pack they will introduce the ability to go back to the older gui 2) They will add the ability to customize the ribbon. If I can customize all the elements (icons and sizes) it could be usable. People will request it.. no demand this from microsoft and even though we all know how much attention ms gives to the users.. they will be forced to impliment these 2. "Patrick Schmid" wrote in message ... Normally I am very polite. I am blunt here for a reason & on purpose... to get the message across and make it clear that office2007 gui is horrible... and it needs a remake from scratch. You are addressing the wrong audience. You are only talking with peers, namely users like you. Microsoft doesn't check these newsgroups nor does anyone of us work for Microsoft. The only people replying to your posts are peers volunteering their time. It would be nice and appropriate if you treated us with some respect and post in a positive manner, as we are then more inclined to have a discussion with you about this topic. Just to be clear though: Microsoft won't ditch the ribbon for Office 2007 and most of what you see is going to stay the way it is or has been announced right now. Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007
I know Patrick Schmidt has created such an add-in but my viewpoint is
more for the user perspective rather than my own. Sure I know about it, those who follow the newsgroups know about it, maybe if someone searches the web they may find out about it, but if it's created by Microsoft they have the capability to make its availability known through Help, product support, on microsoft.com, etc. Also, not that Patrick's add-in isn't good :-), but it should also be something Microsoft supports. Based on Microsoft's "ratings" 2% of Office users customize their toolbars. I think that number is a bit off but even 2% is a LOT of users. Poor Patrick would end up spending all of his time supporting his add-in. Plus I know he can't say "no" so I'm sure a good portion of his time would be spent customizing his add-in for others. Okay, so I may be exaggerating a bit but I think you get my point. Plus, if Microsoft does provide this functionality it will be considered a "win" for user feedback. Microsoft says they are listening and I want evidence. :-) Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John Jay Smith" - wrote in message ... someone here is creating an add in for the customization of the ribbon. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I have my fingers crossed that they will include the ability to easily customize the ribbon as a standard component - I'd even be happy if they created with an add-in. I do know they've heard feedback on this aspect many, many times so we can only wait and see. |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007,
Also, not that Patrick's add-in isn't good :-), but it should also be
something Microsoft supports. Based on Microsoft's "ratings" 2% of Office users customize their toolbars. I think that number is a bit off but even 2% is a LOT of users. Poor Patrick would end up spending Thankfully that math isn't quite right It actually comes out to a few tens of thousands of users only (still a lot, but a lot less than the 8 million the 2% of 400 million Office users would be). The reason for the much lower number is that only those did any serious customization (more than three buttons). So everyone else should be fine with just the QAT. That is of course if you don't believe that Microsoft's numbers in this case are massively skewed as most people who did customize also probably turned off the statistical reporting feature... all of his time supporting his add-in. Plus I know he can't say "no" so I'm sure a good portion of his time would be spent customizing his add-in for others. Okay, so I may be exaggerating a bit but I think you get my point. Very valid point You actually forgot two more points: - the add-in is actually quite difficult and complicated to write. There are all sorts of things you need to work around as there are shortcomings, quirks and special behaviors in the new Office ribbon customization model. For example, simply removing a group from a tab works in two different ways depending whether the group was made by Microsoft and is on its original tab, or whether the group was not made by Microsoft and/or is not on its original tab... - I am torn between providing an add-in that fixes a clear issue in 2007 for free as I think everyone should have the ability to customize their 2007 UI and getting some return on the serious amount of time invested into the project. Plus, if Microsoft does provide this functionality it will be considered a "win" for user feedback. Microsoft says they are listening and I want evidence. :-) Hehehe Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ "John Jay Smith" - wrote in message ... someone here is creating an add in for the customization of the ribbon. "Beth Melton" wrote in message ... I have my fingers crossed that they will include the ability to easily customize the ribbon as a standard component - I'd even be happy if they created with an add-in. I do know they've heard feedback on this aspect many, many times so we can only wait and see. |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007,
"Patrick Schmid" wrote in message
... Also, not that Patrick's add-in isn't good :-), but it should also be something Microsoft supports. Based on Microsoft's "ratings" 2% of Office users customize their toolbars. I think that number is a bit off but even 2% is a LOT of users. Poor Patrick would end up spending Thankfully that math isn't quite right LOL It actually comes out to a few tens of thousands of users only (still a lot, but a lot less than the 8 million the 2% of 400 million Office users would be). The reason for the much lower number is that only those did any serious customization (more than three buttons). So everyone else should be fine with just the QAT. That is of course if you don't believe that Microsoft's numbers in this case are massively skewed as most people who did customize also probably turned off the statistical reporting feature... I know I did. It's back on now and I do my best to send as many data points as I can when it comes to customization and toolbars. In my Office classes I make sure CEIP is turned on for every workstation so every customization, every tear-off menu/toolbar is recorded. grin all of his time supporting his add-in. Plus I know he can't say "no" so I'm sure a good portion of his time would be spent customizing his add-in for others. Okay, so I may be exaggerating a bit but I think you get my point. Very valid point :-) You actually forgot two more points: - the add-in is actually quite difficult and complicated to write. There are all sorts of things you need to work around as there are shortcomings, quirks and special behaviors in the new Office ribbon customization model. For example, simply removing a group from a tab works in two different ways depending whether the group was made by Microsoft and is on its original tab, or whether the group was not made by Microsoft and/or is not on its original tab... - I am torn between providing an add-in that fixes a clear issue in 2007 for free as I think everyone should have the ability to customize their 2007 UI and getting some return on the serious amount of time invested into the project. These are great points - especially the last one. You have invested a great deal of time in this project and while helping others is GREAT thing, but indeed, time is money... Plus, if Microsoft does provide this functionality it will be considered a "win" for user feedback. Microsoft says they are listening and I want evidence. :-) Hehehe Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for assistance by email can not be acknowledged. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beth Melton Microsoft Office MVP Office 2007 Preview Site: http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials: http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...e_archive.mspx TechTrax eZine: http://mousetrax.com/techtrax/ MVP FAQ site: http://mvps.org/ |
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support scenario for vista and office 2007,
That is of course if you don't believe that Microsoft's numbers in
this case are massively skewed as most people who did customize also probably turned off the statistical reporting feature... I know I did. It's back on now and I do my best to send as many data points as I can when it comes to customization and toolbars. In my Office classes I make sure CEIP is turned on for every workstation so every customization, every tear-off menu/toolbar is recorded. grin I was always very diligent about switching that phone-home feature off...Until I got the first beta and realized how much an impact it had! Since then, I make sure as well that CEIP is always turned on. I learnt my lesson... - I am torn between providing an add-in that fixes a clear issue in 2007 for free as I think everyone should have the ability to customize their 2007 UI and getting some return on the serious amount of time invested into the project. These are great points - especially the last one. You have invested a great deal of time in this project and while helping others is GREAT thing, but indeed, time is money... Especially if you are living on a graduate student stipend... I think I have started this thing from scratch three times now. I am just curious if I'll have to do that again once B2TR is out... Patrick Schmid -------------- http://pschmid.net |
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