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  #11  
Old July 17th, 2004, 05:15 AM
Dirk-Thomas Brown
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If you do an admin install to the server, you then do an install from that
location on each workstation. You choose custom install and the different
applications have an option to "Run from the network"

It will be SLOW though...

Dirk-Thomas

"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
"KevinK" wrote in message
...
Technically it can be installed and run from the server,
and would save the problem of updating all 10 PCs.


How? Does MS supply a setup script for workstation to run office from
network-mounted-disk?


But as Chris mentioned, it would use huge amounts of the network.


This is not an issues for us. We have ample bandwidth to spare.


You can copy the CDs to the server and install to each
workstation from there.


This does not make any sense. Why can I just use them from network
disk(attached to each workstation), and execute the apps from there? This

is
time consuming and it just plain old technology.

The only thing I can think of is if MS is collaborating with:
1. Disk vendors -- so we need to buy a lots of disk space
to store the same executable programs
2. Consultant -- more billable time(yeah.)

But seriously, why don't they(MS) make our lives(SysAdmin) a bit easier?

Once installed, don't
forget "Office Update" as opposed to "Windows Update"

-----Original Message-----
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro

Pre-installed, an a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office

2003 Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the

workstation, is there a way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is

out of the question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks


.





  #12  
Old July 17th, 2004, 06:43 AM
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
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Please do yourself a favor and look at the Office Resource Kit and the
Windows 2003 (or whatever version of Windows you have) Terminal Services
white papers.

What you are asking has been answered many times here - if it is not the
answer you like, then look for a different vendor/solution. We have all
told you what is and is not possible, the problems inherent in trying to
meet your requests, and have basically given up providing answers that you
do not want to hear.

Office REQUIRES specific files to be installed locally in order to run. If
you want a pure server solution, it will not work.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah Tanembaum
asked:

| Why not possible?
|
| Thanks.
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| No, you can either run Office from a TS/Citrix environment or you can
|| install it locally. You can create an admin installation point on
|| the server and have the clients load office via a logon script when
|| they first start Windows. But you cannot run it from a plain server.
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah
|| Tanembaum asked:
||
||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
|||
||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed,
||| an a server with ample of memory and disk space.
|||
||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
||| Professional.
|||
||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
||| there
||| a way to run Office from a server?
|||
||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the
||| question as it will add cost per client.
|||
||| Thanks


  #13  
Old July 17th, 2004, 06:54 AM
catwalker63
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Hallelujah!

--
Kelley
aka catwalker
IT Professional, MCP
"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
wrote in message ...
Please do yourself a favor and look at the Office Resource Kit and the
Windows 2003 (or whatever version of Windows you have) Terminal Services
white papers.

What you are asking has been answered many times here - if it is not the
answer you like, then look for a different vendor/solution. We have all
told you what is and is not possible, the problems inherent in trying to
meet your requests, and have basically given up providing answers that you
do not want to hear.

Office REQUIRES specific files to be installed locally in order to run. If
you want a pure server solution, it will not work.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah Tanembaum
asked:

| Why not possible?
|
| Thanks.
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| No, you can either run Office from a TS/Citrix environment or you can
|| install it locally. You can create an admin installation point on
|| the server and have the clients load office via a logon script when
|| they first start Windows. But you cannot run it from a plain server.
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah
|| Tanembaum asked:
||
||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
|||
||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed,
||| an a server with ample of memory and disk space.
|||
||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
||| Professional.
|||
||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
||| there
||| a way to run Office from a server?
|||
||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the
||| question as it will add cost per client.
|||
||| Thanks




  #14  
Old July 17th, 2004, 06:54 AM
Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]
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Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and it is
generally a great thing. As Kevin mentioned, you can no longer install
Terminal Server in Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000
terminology.... ) on the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good
reasons for this. You would need a second server that would be the Terminal
Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not generally a good
idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain Controller....

However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really good point
/ question as to why do you would want to turn them into thin clients. I
would probably not want to do that! Du hast schon das Geld ausgegeben!

Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of Office 2003
on your Server and install that application on each workstation from that
Admin Installation. The advantages of doing this are 1) you have a common,
accessible installation point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing
the Office 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients ( sagen
wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have the problem of
updating each client - this usually involves uninstalling Office 2003 from
each client ( you could use the utility from the Office 2003 Resource Kit to
do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation. Sure, you
could probably do this via a logon script, but you still have the
administrative overhead ( you have to write the additional lines in the
logon script and make sure that it is run on each machine and then rem out
the additional lines in the logon script ). So, with this solution you have
a really nicely located Administrative Installation Point that you can
nicely keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.

So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at using Group
Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your computers ( or users ). You
simply make that one Administrative Installation Point ( via setup.exe
/a ) - which you can still update when security patches are releases or when
a Service Pack is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
without much administrative overhead install this to your clients and - here
comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update the clients when those
security patches or Service Packs are released. Additionally, if you make
use of the Office 2003 Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka
Transforms files ) that will allow you to customize the installation ( say
that Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra get
PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a lot of the
options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your users have the settings
that they need. You will not have to go to each computer and make sure that
all of those specific settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO
and there you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested updates to the
Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice feature as well.....

Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen ueber das
Group Policy Object haben....

HTH,

Cary





"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed, an a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003 Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is there a

way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks




  #15  
Old July 18th, 2004, 10:49 AM
Sarah Tanembaum
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Hi Kevin, as stated on my previous email. I have a very powerful server and
workstation. For ease of administration, why would I purchase another
terminal server licenses if there are such solution(which in my mind it is
very easy to implement in a client-server environment)
where make use the power of the workstation.

By using the terminal services, we are adding another cost of terminal
services license and the server does not scale well for active users.

The solution I propose(I'm sure that you know what I'm talking about) we
are make use what we have now(powerful workstation) to run an app from a
file server. Its just as simple as that.


"Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message
...
Sarah,

There's different solutions available to fit different needs. By your post
it appears that you bought your solution before determining your needs. If
your need and desire is to administer a single installation of Office for
all of your users, then Terminal Services is a valid solution.

Is this against MS idealogy? Not in my mind, since there are many, many
companies, both large and small, that have installed Terminal Services as

a
solution. As with all needs/solutions, you weight the benefits, the pros

and
cons, and make the best choice possible.

You say it's not economical. But compared to what? It appears that you
consider the time and cost of administrative overhead in maintaining,
upgrading, and patching standard PC's with individual copies of Windows

and
Office installed on each PC to be a high priority issue. So, if you can
reduce the overhead and hassle of administering such a network, then

you've
answered your own question: yes, it's economical.

Don't know what you mean by claiming that Microsoft is still ironing out

how
to implement such a solution. I previously managed the IT dept for a large
health care facility that has over 200 users operating on Microsoft

Windows
Terminal Server. You want to talk about economical? You want to talk about
redundancy? You want to talk about ease of administering such network? You
want to talk about implementing new security policies?

No, a TS environment is not for all ... but don't just knock it ... it is

a
valid solution for those with the need of such a solution.

--
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Thanks Kevin. Unfortunately the terminal services are out of the

question.
We have pretty powerful workstation and server, why would I use my
workstation
as a terminal(Isn't this goes again MS ideology)?

Secondly, why would I pay an additional license for each workstation
to access the terminal server. It is just not economical.

Or perhaps Microsoft is still ironing-out on how to implement this this

type
of
technology(networked-multi-user-multi-task-apps)?

Thanks


"Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message
...
Sarah, what you have described is called 'Windows Terminal Server'.

You
are
right about the fact that by installing Office on one system, and

letting
everyone access it reduces administrative issues. But, SBS2003 does

not
allow you to configure Terminal Server on the SBS server itself. You

can
add
a separate system to act as a terminal server alongside your SBS

server.
The
temrinal server would house your Office apps, and your SBS server

would
handle Exchange/email, Internet access, and file/print services.

--
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to use my server as a file server, where I will store all

the
Office executable. If MS so willing, then they can tell us what

registry
setting on the local machine has to change so each of my workstation

can
run
office apps, e.g. MS Word, Excel, and other, right from their
workstation?

Is it a technology issues that prevent this to happen? What's the

big
problem since other OSes can handle multi-user apps?

Imagine if I can do that, everytime the workstation crashed and

corrupted
the disk, all I have to do is install the os, mount the directory

where
office reside, and voile ... it's back up again. Also, when the

office
need
upgrade, all I have to do is to upgrade the one on the server and

again,
those 10(or for that matter 100K)workstation has their office

upgraded!

Any ideas?




"Chris Jones" wrote in message
...
I think you have the option upon installing if you want to install
Office
to
a server, but I am thinking if you have 10 users it is going to

slow
down
your server badly. Is there a particular reason you dont want to

install
on
the workstations? You can setup admin install of office to install

just
like
Outlook installs on SBS client upon connection.


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro

Pre-installed,
an
a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is

there
a
way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of

the
question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks














  #16  
Old July 18th, 2004, 10:51 AM
Sarah Tanembaum
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I don't think I'm worry about my network speed. I have ample bandwidth (Giga
ethernet), fast workstation, and fast server. All I want is to execute the
app from file server.

I don;t think this is such a hard technology to implement isn't it?



"Frank McCallister" anonymous wrote in message
...
Hi Sarah

You can run the executables from the server if you wish but a certain

number
of DLLs will have to be on the WS. You don't want to do this though

because
your Office programs will run as slow as mollasses because the executables
will have to be loaded across the 100 mb network lines instead of from a
much faster HD unless you are using Terminal services where only the video
is transmitted across the Network and even that is slower than running
local. The only time you would want to run from server is if you had
extremely small Hard Disks which make no sense with the price of HDs these
days.

Frank McCallister
COMPUMAC


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Thanks Kevin. Unfortunately the terminal services are out of the

question.
We have pretty powerful workstation and server, why would I use my
workstation
as a terminal(Isn't this goes again MS ideology)?

Secondly, why would I pay an additional license for each workstation
to access the terminal server. It is just not economical.

Or perhaps Microsoft is still ironing-out on how to implement this this
type
of
technology(networked-multi-user-multi-task-apps)?

Thanks


"Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]" wrote in message
...
Sarah, what you have described is called 'Windows Terminal Server'. You

are
right about the fact that by installing Office on one system, and

letting
everyone access it reduces administrative issues. But, SBS2003 does not
allow you to configure Terminal Server on the SBS server itself. You

can
add
a separate system to act as a terminal server alongside your SBS

server.
The
temrinal server would house your Office apps, and your SBS server would
handle Exchange/email, Internet access, and file/print services.

--
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
"The days pass by so quickly now, the nights are seldom long"


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to use my server as a file server, where I will store all
the
Office executable. If MS so willing, then they can tell us what
registry
setting on the local machine has to change so each of my workstation
can
run
office apps, e.g. MS Word, Excel, and other, right from their
workstation?

Is it a technology issues that prevent this to happen? What's the big
problem since other OSes can handle multi-user apps?

Imagine if I can do that, everytime the workstation crashed and

corrupted
the disk, all I have to do is install the os, mount the directory

where
office reside, and voile ... it's back up again. Also, when the

office
need
upgrade, all I have to do is to upgrade the one on the server and
again,
those 10(or for that matter 100K)workstation has their office

upgraded!

Any ideas?




"Chris Jones" wrote in message
...
I think you have the option upon installing if you want to install
Office
to
a server, but I am thinking if you have 10 users it is going to

slow
down
your server badly. Is there a particular reason you dont want to

install
on
the workstations? You can setup admin install of office to install

just
like
Outlook installs on SBS client upon connection.


"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
Pre-installed,
an
a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is

there
a
way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the
question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks














  #17  
Old July 18th, 2004, 10:54 AM
Sarah Tanembaum
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Office REQUIRES specific files to be installed locally in order to run. If
you want a pure server solution, it will not work.


How many specific file(s) are you talking about? Do you have a list of what
specific files are you mentioning?

Thanks


"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
wrote in message ...
Please do yourself a favor and look at the Office Resource Kit and the
Windows 2003 (or whatever version of Windows you have) Terminal Services
white papers.

What you are asking has been answered many times here - if it is not the
answer you like, then look for a different vendor/solution. We have all
told you what is and is not possible, the problems inherent in trying to
meet your requests, and have basically given up providing answers that you
do not want to hear.

Office REQUIRES specific files to be installed locally in order to run. If
you want a pure server solution, it will not work.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah Tanembaum
asked:

| Why not possible?
|
| Thanks.
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| No, you can either run Office from a TS/Citrix environment or you can
|| install it locally. You can create an admin installation point on
|| the server and have the clients load office via a logon script when
|| they first start Windows. But you cannot run it from a plain server.
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Sarah
|| Tanembaum asked:
||
||| Is it possible to run office from a server?
|||
||| We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed,
||| an a server with ample of memory and disk space.
|||
||| We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003
||| Professional.
|||
||| Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is
||| there
||| a way to run Office from a server?
|||
||| I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the
||| question as it will add cost per client.
|||
||| Thanks




  #18  
Old July 18th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Sarah Tanembaum
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Well, I guess MS does not have solution of running apps from a
network-mounted-disk-from-a-server.

I am familiar with terminal services as well citrix/metaframe since the
early days up till now. It just does not scale.

What we have now that we have fast network, fast server, fast disk, and fast
workstation. If there are such solution where almost any new OS can do that
but does not include Microsoft.


"Dirk-Thomas Brown" wrote in message
...
If you do an admin install to the server, you then do an install from that
location on each workstation. You choose custom install and the different
applications have an option to "Run from the network"

It will be SLOW though...

Dirk-Thomas

"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
"KevinK" wrote in message
...
Technically it can be installed and run from the server,
and would save the problem of updating all 10 PCs.


How? Does MS supply a setup script for workstation to run office from
network-mounted-disk?


But as Chris mentioned, it would use huge amounts of the network.


This is not an issues for us. We have ample bandwidth to spare.


You can copy the CDs to the server and install to each
workstation from there.


This does not make any sense. Why can I just use them from network
disk(attached to each workstation), and execute the apps from there?

This
is
time consuming and it just plain old technology.

The only thing I can think of is if MS is collaborating with:
1. Disk vendors -- so we need to buy a lots of disk space
to store the same executable programs
2. Consultant -- more billable time(yeah.)

But seriously, why don't they(MS) make our lives(SysAdmin) a bit easier?



Once installed, don't
forget "Office Update" as opposed to "Windows Update"

-----Original Message-----
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro
Pre-installed, an a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office
2003 Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the
workstation, is there a way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is
out of the question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks


.







  #19  
Old July 18th, 2004, 11:03 AM
Sarah Tanembaum
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I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk in my
server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those 10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
.....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


"Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]" wrote in message
...
Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good

idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and it is
generally a great thing. As Kevin mentioned, you can no longer install
Terminal Server in Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000
terminology.... ) on the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very good
reasons for this. You would need a second server that would be the

Terminal
Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not generally a

good
idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain Controller....

However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really good

point
/ question as to why do you would want to turn them into thin clients. I
would probably not want to do that! Du hast schon das Geld ausgegeben!

Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of Office

2003
on your Server and install that application on each workstation from that
Admin Installation. The advantages of doing this are 1) you have a

common,
accessible installation point and 2) you do not have to worry about losing
the Office 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared to
my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients ( sagen
wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have the problem of
updating each client - this usually involves uninstalling Office 2003 from
each client ( you could use the utility from the Office 2003 Resource Kit

to
do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation. Sure,

you
could probably do this via a logon script, but you still have the
administrative overhead ( you have to write the additional lines in the
logon script and make sure that it is run on each machine and then rem out
the additional lines in the logon script ). So, with this solution you

have
a really nicely located Administrative Installation Point that you can
nicely keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.

So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at using Group
Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your computers ( or users ). You
simply make that one Administrative Installation Point ( via setup.exe
/a ) - which you can still update when security patches are releases or

when
a Service Pack is released - and you have the ability to very quickly and
without much administrative overhead install this to your clients and -

here
comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update the clients when

those
security patches or Service Packs are released. Additionally, if you make
use of the Office 2003 Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka
Transforms files ) that will allow you to customize the installation ( say
that Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra get
PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a lot of the
options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your users have the

settings
that they need. You will not have to go to each computer and make sure

that
all of those specific settings are properly configured. Do it via the GPO
and there you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients can
not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested updates to the
Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice feature as well.....

Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen ueber das
Group Policy Object haben....

HTH,

Cary





"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed, an

a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003

Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is there a

way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the

question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks






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Old July 18th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Kevin Weilbacher [SBS-MVP]
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Nope, we're not avoiding the issues. We're simply providing you "our"
experiences and insight - and that's all any of us can do. No product is
perfect. And we certainly don't pretend to have all the answers. If you
don't like our responses, then I would suggest that you consider moving your
arguments to another NG that may have the answers you are looking for.

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"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
I think this is very inefficient. Why can I install my apps on a disk in

my
server and mount that disk on my workstation and execute the exe file from
there.

If I need to upgrade, all I have to do is upgrade the server and those

10(or
100 workstation) will get updated instantly without clogging up the

network
for transferring files between the server and those 10(or 100) client
workstation.

I think you all know what I'm talking about but most of your MVP[Microsoft
....] are avoding the issues.

Please ....


"Cary Shultz [A.D. MVP]" wrote in message
...
Sarah,

I might jump in here for a second.

First of all, the idea of a Terminal Server is generally a really good

idea.
I have been using Terminal Server for the last 15 months or so and it is
generally a great thing. As Kevin mentioned, you can no longer install
Terminal Server in Application Mode ( err, that is the WIN2000
terminology.... ) on the SBS2003 Server itself. There are some very

good
reasons for this. You would need a second server that would be the

Terminal
Server. On SBS2000 you can indeed do this - but again, not generally a

good
idea to run Terminal Server in Application Mode on a Domain

Controller....

However, since you have powerful workstations, you have a really good

point
/ question as to why do you would want to turn them into thin clients.

I
would probably not want to do that! Du hast schon das Geld ausgegeben!

Secondly, you can indeed make an Administrative Installation of Office

2003
on your Server and install that application on each workstation from

that
Admin Installation. The advantages of doing this are 1) you have a

common,
accessible installation point and 2) you do not have to worry about

losing
the Office 2003 CD! However, the disadvantage of doing this ( compared

to
my next suggestion ) is that when you want to update the clients ( sagen
wir, dass Microsoft Office 2003 SP1 liefiert ) you have the problem of
updating each client - this usually involves uninstalling Office 2003

from
each client ( you could use the utility from the Office 2003 Resource

Kit
to
do this! ) and then running the installation on each workstation. Sure,

you
could probably do this via a logon script, but you still have the
administrative overhead ( you have to write the additional lines in the
logon script and make sure that it is run on each machine and then rem

out
the additional lines in the logon script ). So, with this solution you

have
a really nicely located Administrative Installation Point that you can
nicely keep up to date but you have the problem on the workstations.

So, I would suggest to you that you take a good long look at using Group
Policy to install Office 2003 to all of your computers ( or users ).

You
simply make that one Administrative Installation Point ( via setup.exe
/a ) - which you can still update when security patches are releases or

when
a Service Pack is released - and you have the ability to very quickly

and
without much administrative overhead install this to your clients and -

here
comes a really neat point - easily and quickly update the clients when

those
security patches or Service Packs are released. Additionally, if you

make
use of the Office 2003 Resource Kit you can create .mst files ( aka
Transforms files ) that will allow you to customize the installation (

say
that Heinz and Hans get Excel, Word and Outlook while Ulrike and Petra

get
PowerPoint, Word and Outlook ). Furthermore, you can set a lot of the
options via a GPO that will ensure that all of your users have the

settings
that they need. You will not have to go to each computer and make sure

that
all of those specific settings are properly configured. Do it via the

GPO
and there you have it! Also, you can control it so that your clients

can
not go to the officeupdate.microsoft.com and make untested updates to

the
Office 2003 installation. This is a really nice feature as well.....

Sarah, Du kannst Dich gerne an mich wenden solltest Du Fragen ueber das
Group Policy Object haben....

HTH,

Cary





"Sarah Tanembaum" wrote in message
...
Is it possible to run office from a server?

We just purchased 10 brand new PC with Windows XP Pro Pre-installed,

an
a
server with ample of memory and disk space.

We also purchase a 15-user license of Microsoft Office 2003

Professional.

Instead of installing MS Office 2003 on all the workstation, is there

a
way
to run Office from a server?

I know of the terminal services/citrix way but that is out of the

question
as it will add cost per client.

Thanks








 




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