outline numbering won't work

Yes, but those of us who have Word 2007 are screwed since the help references
here in the link goes to a detailed (don't miss this step or that step)
account for Word 2002 and Word 2003!

If you search on help on 'outline' (from inside of Word 2007) the MS Website
sends to a Numbered List response (their first choice). However, the
numbered list is the nightmare, since these 'lists' don't allow elements to
be closed, expanded, can't be converted to real outlines, etc. I have had to
set all these 'headers' to times roman 12 with paragraph set to 0, and fonts
no longer blue (!), but still the elements go 1,2,3,4 even if the so-called 3
in in fact a heading level 2, looking like this

1.
2,
3.
4.

I mean how can Microsoft believe that this is even useful? When is something
going to choose this as their default multi-level outline. Can you point to
a single person who would choose this? After hours of investigation I once
got this worked out with WordXP, but Word 2007 once again makes things more
complicated and counter-intuitive. I DON'T NEED ALL THIS COMPLICATED
FORMATTING. I simply want to create basic outlines in Word, and not these
brain dead numbered lists.

I was teaching university students the importance of outlining. Am I really
supposed to lead them all through these complicated steps to get a basic
outline where the formatting doesn't change, and where the numbering will go
1, a, i, 1, a.. or 1,a,1,a...

Interestingly, if one takes this numbered lists from Word 2007 and copies
them into OneNote 2007, the 1, a, 1, a... 'lists' can become dynamic
hierarchies where one can hide lower elements. However, when one paste this
back into Word 2007, they become mere non-dynamic numbered (or lettered)
lists again.

And why if one is on the word 2007 ribbon 'outline' does one then have to go
to the home, paragraph, multi-level tab to even get a change to set up a
multi-level list (which form me simply goes 1,2,3,4,5 regardless of level
even when I choose 1,a,1,a,1). Why not put something like this on the
'outline' ribbon? Why can't the Word group even begin to attain the level of
intelligence of the OneNote 2007 group. Why must we be forced at work to use
this counter-intuitive Word program, and to hire consultants to write simple
documents?

"Diana" wrote:
Thanks a bunch.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Set it up according to
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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all may benefit.

"Diana" wrote in message
...
I have a file plan using the outline view and want to number it using
outline
numbering, eg. 1, 1.1, 1.1.1, 2, 2.1, 2.2
but it only give me a straight sequence 1 2 3 4 5 ignoring the different
levels. How do I get outline numbering to work?
--
Diana

In Word, outline numbering must be linked to paragraph styles, one for each
level, if it should work properly; this is equally true in Word 2007 as it
was in Word 2003.

To create an outline list, click Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New
Multilevel List. Define all aspects of numbering and associate each level
with a paragraph style (the dialog box works pretty much the same as the
Customize Outline Numbered List in Word 2003; see
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html for
assistance with the options).

To edit an existing list, place the insertion point in the first level 1
item (for heading numbering, this means the first Heading 1 paragraph of the
document), and click Home tab | Multilevel List | Define New Multilevel
List.

By the way, you are right: numbering is counter-intuitive in Word,
especially so in Word 2007, but you can make it work if you set it up
carefully.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP



"Geodesic" wrote in message
...
Yes, but those of us who have Word 2007 are screwed since the help
references
here in the link goes to a detailed (don't miss this step or that step)
account for Word 2002 and Word 2003!

If you search on help on 'outline' (from inside of Word 2007) the MS
Website
sends to a Numbered List response (their first choice). However, the
numbered list is the nightmare, since these 'lists' don't allow elements
to
be closed, expanded, can't be converted to real outlines, etc. I have had
to
set all these 'headers' to times roman 12 with paragraph set to 0, and
fonts
no longer blue (!), but still the elements go 1,2,3,4 even if the
so-called 3
in in fact a heading level 2, looking like this

1.
2,
3.
4.

I mean how can Microsoft believe that this is even useful? When is
something
going to choose this as their default multi-level outline. Can you point
to
a single person who would choose this? After hours of investigation I
once
got this worked out with WordXP, but Word 2007 once again makes things
more
complicated and counter-intuitive. I DON'T NEED ALL THIS COMPLICATED
FORMATTING. I simply want to create basic outlines in Word, and not these
brain dead numbered lists.

I was teaching university students the importance of outlining. Am I
really
supposed to lead them all through these complicated steps to get a basic
outline where the formatting doesn't change, and where the numbering will
go
1, a, i, 1, a.. or 1,a,1,a...

Interestingly, if one takes this numbered lists from Word 2007 and copies
them into OneNote 2007, the 1, a, 1, a... 'lists' can become dynamic
hierarchies where one can hide lower elements. However, when one paste
this
back into Word 2007, they become mere non-dynamic numbered (or lettered)
lists again.

And why if one is on the word 2007 ribbon 'outline' does one then have to
go
to the home, paragraph, multi-level tab to even get a change to set up a
multi-level list (which form me simply goes 1,2,3,4,5 regardless of level
even when I choose 1,a,1,a,1). Why not put something like this on the
'outline' ribbon? Why can't the Word group even begin to attain the level
of
intelligence of the OneNote 2007 group. Why must we be forced at work to
use
this counter-intuitive Word program, and to hire consultants to write
simple
documents?

"Diana" wrote:
Thanks a bunch.

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Set it up according to
http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/numb...Numbering.html

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"Diana" wrote in message
...
I have a file plan using the outline view and want to number it using
outline
numbering, eg. 1, 1.1, 1.1.1, 2, 2.1, 2.2
but it only give me a straight sequence 1 2 3 4 5 ignoring the
different
levels. How do I get outline numbering to work?
--
Diana