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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the
search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill |
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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
John,
Thanks for the response. I'll try this. I thought I did that when I set the formats of each component before grouping. One shape I fixed the height and the width, the other shape I made 1-D. Maybe I should make the first shape 1-D also? Still messing with it. I wish it was a bit more intuitive. Looks like I am getting mo better with it and may have to spring for some classes to refine my knowledge. I'll see how this works. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: "beradio1" wrote in message ... I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill The problem is that when you grouped the shapes, each shapes formula is changed to be a percentage of the group shapes width and height. You can prevent this, but you must set the ResizeMode in the component shapes BEFORE grouping. Otherwise you have to open the spreadsheet, set the View to Value and copy and past the displayed value in the cell and paste that value into the formula bar at the top of the page. John... Visio MVP |
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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
John,
I make it 1-d so I can stretch it. I'm a broadcast engineer and I am designing a layout for a transmitter site. I want to make a piece of transmission line with a fixed width and a flange piece on one end. The piece/shape then can be lengthened or shortened depending on placement. Ideally a flange piece would be on both ends, but I decided to start "small" or easy. ;-) If you feel this is a mistake and I should keep it 2-d, that's ok with me. I just need to make sure if I make a flange and group it into one shape, the flange does not change size. Regards, Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: Why did you make it 1-d. Normally only lines are 1d ( or some of the rack equipment). If you do not want the shape to be stretched, you can Guard the Width or Height in the Shapesheet. The Orgchart shapes are created for novice users so the customization is in the menu so that it can be applied consistently to all shapes. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, Thanks for the response. I'll try this. I thought I did that when I set the formats of each component before grouping. One shape I fixed the height and the width, the other shape I made 1-D. Maybe I should make the first shape 1-D also? Still messing with it. I wish it was a bit more intuitive. Looks like I am getting mo better with it and may have to spring for some classes to refine my knowledge. I'll see how this works. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: "beradio1" wrote in message ... I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill The problem is that when you grouped the shapes, each shapes formula is changed to be a percentage of the group shapes width and height. You can prevent this, but you must set the ResizeMode in the component shapes BEFORE grouping. Otherwise you have to open the spreadsheet, set the View to Value and copy and past the displayed value in the cell and paste that value into the formula bar at the top of the page. John... Visio MVP |
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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
What you are describing suggests you consider line patterns and line ends.
John G has a good two part article on them and the second part of the article http://visualsignals.typepad.co.uk/v...ng-rand-1.html has some examples that may be applicable to you situation. In general terms, the flanges you are describing are the same as arrow heads that can be placed on the end of lines. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, I make it 1-d so I can stretch it. I'm a broadcast engineer and I am designing a layout for a transmitter site. I want to make a piece of transmission line with a fixed width and a flange piece on one end. The piece/shape then can be lengthened or shortened depending on placement. Ideally a flange piece would be on both ends, but I decided to start "small" or easy. ;-) If you feel this is a mistake and I should keep it 2-d, that's ok with me. I just need to make sure if I make a flange and group it into one shape, the flange does not change size. Regards, Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: Why did you make it 1-d. Normally only lines are 1d ( or some of the rack equipment). If you do not want the shape to be stretched, you can Guard the Width or Height in the Shapesheet. The Orgchart shapes are created for novice users so the customization is in the menu so that it can be applied consistently to all shapes. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, Thanks for the response. I'll try this. I thought I did that when I set the formats of each component before grouping. One shape I fixed the height and the width, the other shape I made 1-D. Maybe I should make the first shape 1-D also? Still messing with it. I wish it was a bit more intuitive. Looks like I am getting mo better with it and may have to spring for some classes to refine my knowledge. I'll see how this works. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: "beradio1" wrote in message ... I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill The problem is that when you grouped the shapes, each shapes formula is changed to be a percentage of the group shapes width and height. You can prevent this, but you must set the ResizeMode in the component shapes BEFORE grouping. Otherwise you have to open the spreadsheet, set the View to Value and copy and past the displayed value in the cell and paste that value into the formula bar at the top of the page. John... Visio MVP |
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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
Thanks for the link. I'll hit that next.
Interesting comparison of the flanges as arrow heads. That is very much like I treat them now. I make my "pipe" which is a section of transmission line and then I "attach" the flange. It's a multipart process and I would like to make one that is length adjustable without changing the dimension of the flange. Very cool thought. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: What you are describing suggests you consider line patterns and line ends. John G has a good two part article on them and the second part of the article http://visualsignals.typepad.co.uk/v...ng-rand-1.html has some examples that may be applicable to you situation. In general terms, the flanges you are describing are the same as arrow heads that can be placed on the end of lines. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, I make it 1-d so I can stretch it. I'm a broadcast engineer and I am designing a layout for a transmitter site. I want to make a piece of transmission line with a fixed width and a flange piece on one end. The piece/shape then can be lengthened or shortened depending on placement. Ideally a flange piece would be on both ends, but I decided to start "small" or easy. ;-) If you feel this is a mistake and I should keep it 2-d, that's ok with me. I just need to make sure if I make a flange and group it into one shape, the flange does not change size. Regards, Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: Why did you make it 1-d. Normally only lines are 1d ( or some of the rack equipment). If you do not want the shape to be stretched, you can Guard the Width or Height in the Shapesheet. The Orgchart shapes are created for novice users so the customization is in the menu so that it can be applied consistently to all shapes. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, Thanks for the response. I'll try this. I thought I did that when I set the formats of each component before grouping. One shape I fixed the height and the width, the other shape I made 1-D. Maybe I should make the first shape 1-D also? Still messing with it. I wish it was a bit more intuitive. Looks like I am getting mo better with it and may have to spring for some classes to refine my knowledge. I'll see how this works. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: "beradio1" wrote in message ... I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill The problem is that when you grouped the shapes, each shapes formula is changed to be a percentage of the group shapes width and height. You can prevent this, but you must set the ResizeMode in the component shapes BEFORE grouping. Otherwise you have to open the spreadsheet, set the View to Value and copy and past the displayed value in the cell and paste that value into the formula bar at the top of the page. John... Visio MVP |
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Shapes within a group: Maintaining size?
The article has a set of downloadable examples that you can play with.
John... "beradio1" wrote in message ... Thanks for the link. I'll hit that next. Interesting comparison of the flanges as arrow heads. That is very much like I treat them now. I make my "pipe" which is a section of transmission line and then I "attach" the flange. It's a multipart process and I would like to make one that is length adjustable without changing the dimension of the flange. Very cool thought. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: What you are describing suggests you consider line patterns and line ends. John G has a good two part article on them and the second part of the article http://visualsignals.typepad.co.uk/v...ng-rand-1.html has some examples that may be applicable to you situation. In general terms, the flanges you are describing are the same as arrow heads that can be placed on the end of lines. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, I make it 1-d so I can stretch it. I'm a broadcast engineer and I am designing a layout for a transmitter site. I want to make a piece of transmission line with a fixed width and a flange piece on one end. The piece/shape then can be lengthened or shortened depending on placement. Ideally a flange piece would be on both ends, but I decided to start "small" or easy. ;-) If you feel this is a mistake and I should keep it 2-d, that's ok with me. I just need to make sure if I make a flange and group it into one shape, the flange does not change size. Regards, Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: Why did you make it 1-d. Normally only lines are 1d ( or some of the rack equipment). If you do not want the shape to be stretched, you can Guard the Width or Height in the Shapesheet. The Orgchart shapes are created for novice users so the customization is in the menu so that it can be applied consistently to all shapes. John... Visio MVP "beradio1" wrote in message ... John, Thanks for the response. I'll try this. I thought I did that when I set the formats of each component before grouping. One shape I fixed the height and the width, the other shape I made 1-D. Maybe I should make the first shape 1-D also? Still messing with it. I wish it was a bit more intuitive. Looks like I am getting mo better with it and may have to spring for some classes to refine my knowledge. I'll see how this works. Bill "John... Visio MVP" wrote: "beradio1" wrote in message ... I've searched for this, so I may not be asking the "right" question in the search box. I've created, for simplicity, two shapes. I position them where I want and then group them together to make a new shape. My issue is when I resize the whole shape, the smaller piece changes size too. I do NOT want that to happen. The overall width of the shape must stay the same while allowing the length to change. The smaller shape that makes up the whole shape MUST stay the same no matter what. How can I do this? I've tried formatting the little shape so the height and width are protected. I even protected the shape "from group formatting". No luck. I looked at behaviors but do not see anything that helps. Thanks for any insight. Bill The problem is that when you grouped the shapes, each shapes formula is changed to be a percentage of the group shapes width and height. You can prevent this, but you must set the ResizeMode in the component shapes BEFORE grouping. Otherwise you have to open the spreadsheet, set the View to Value and copy and past the displayed value in the cell and paste that value into the formula bar at the top of the page. John... Visio MVP |
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