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OE Is Deleting My NG Headers
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... This pogue obviously doesn't understand the architecture of Outlook Express, designed by Software Geniuses Of Their Day, within the hardware constraints they faced -- which has already been explained here. Matthew 7:6. How incredibly self-righteous and ignorant of you! :-) I'm not surprised. Isaiah 6:9 |
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OE is doing what a newsreader is supposed to do, keep the messages on your computer synched with the newsgroup server. Again, that was not the way OE used to work. It used to retain all msgs that were downloaded. I don't know of any newsreaders that do not sync with the server. You have not mentioned what news server that you are using. Why is that germane to the discussion? The Microsoft server has a 90 day retention period. -- Ronald Sommer |
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"Steve Cochran" wrote in message news It would be refreshing to see Google come out with an OS. MS needs the competition. Otherwise it will keep releasing crap like WLM and dumping on the users. Well, I guarantee you, it's coming. They developed Chrome specifically for the purpose of providing stability when running web apps, something the current web browsers weren't designed for (their main function was web browsing; web applications came later, after their architecture was already established). I'm reminded of how Windows, in its early incarnations ( 3.0) was a very clunky, rudimentary thing, that ran on top of DOS -- not very well a lot of the time -- and then evolved into a stable "operating environment" on top of DOS, and then eventually an "operating system" in its own right. I think Chrome will take a similar path -- slowly, little by little, evolving into its own operating environment, and then eventually operating system. Probably at least 5-10 years until that happens though. |
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"Steve Cochran" wrote in message ... You are just feeding the troll. You're absolutely right. Thanks. |
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Chrome is APOS.
- "Neil" wrote in message ... "Steve Cochran" wrote in message news It would be refreshing to see Google come out with an OS. MS needs the competition. Otherwise it will keep releasing crap like WLM and dumping on the users. Well, I guarantee you, it's coming. They developed Chrome specifically for the purpose of providing stability when running web apps, something the current web browsers weren't designed for (their main function was web browsing; web applications came later, after their architecture was already established). I'm reminded of how Windows, in its early incarnations ( 3.0) was a very clunky, rudimentary thing, that ran on top of DOS -- not very well a lot of the time -- and then evolved into a stable "operating environment" on top of DOS, and then eventually an "operating system" in its own right. I think Chrome will take a similar path -- slowly, little by little, evolving into its own operating environment, and then eventually operating system. Probably at least 5-10 years until that happens though. |
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"Doug W." stand@attention wrote in message
... Neil: I don't have the problem you describe, perhaps you should re-check ALL of your OE settings and start over from scratch. I looked and looked and couldn't find anything to change. You're saying that old messages stay in your newsgroup folders until you delete them? That's the way OE used to work for me. Under Tools, Options, Maintenance, I had under "When compacting messages", the "Delete news messages" option unchecked (figuring that would keep them on the hard drive). The thought came to me that perhaps there's a glitch in OE when that's unchecked. So I checked it, and set it to 999 days. See if that works better. Either way, I didn't compact my messages anyway, so that shouldn't have come into play. In any case, I'm curious what settings you have, and how they may differ from mine. Would you mind looking at yours and telling me how they differ from mine, noted below? I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Neil ==== Settings ===== Tools | Options | Maintenance: all items unchecked except Delete News Messages (set to 999 days) Tools | Accounts | News | Properties (for my newsgroup account): "Include this account when checking for new messages": unchecked Advanced tab: everything unchecked All individual newsgroups set to Don't Synchronize |
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... Neil wrote: "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: Devil's Advocate: If posts were not removed from OE (in its current design state) when they were removed from the server and a heavy newsgroup user never deleted any posts manually, consider how bloated and ripe for corruption the message store would become over time! How true. There is still the 2GB maximum file size for the .dbx files used by OE. That means you cannot store more than 2GB worth of headers and bodies in a .dbx file for a newsgroup. Exceeding that threshold results in a corrupted .dbx file. So with NNTP servers with extreme retention intervals and with a user that downloads all headers and also all their bodies then it becomes more likely the 2GB threshold gets exceeded. So you're saying that the software isn't intelligent enough to just say: "Hey, you've reached the limit. Can't download anymore. Would you like me to clear some messages for you"? Instead it has to automatically delete messages, just to avoid the 2 GB limit??? Ridiculous! For what it's worth, all of my newsgroup DBXs are less than 10 MB! Not even anywhere close to 2 GB!!!!! And, again, if it ever did come close, a simple message prompting to delete old messages would be fine (similar to what Windows does when your hard drive gets near capacity). There is no "high water" alert for when you approach or exceed the size of the .dbx file. After all, just one post download that includes a huge file could enlarge your 10MB .dbx file to past the 2GB boundary. I wouldn't doubt that there are some huge files in the binary newsgroups, like for videos (e.g., movies). Even if they are split up into multiple posts and you use OE's Combine and Decode, one post sliced up into several posts to recompile the file could chew up a lot of disk space in a big hurry. Well, if you download something so huge that it throws it over the limit, OE could just say "Couldn't download; ran out of space." That doesn't take away from that OE could tell you when you're, say, 80% at capacity, that you need to remove some messages. That would be a simple thing to do, and your argument about the possibility of a super-large file taking you over the top doesn't take away from that. Nor does it help your argument that OE should keep things small (since the same could happen then, as well). But you really are playing devil's advocate here, aren't you? This discussion's becoming a waste of time. OE is a dead product. Has been since 2002. Don't expect any functional changes to an unsupported product. Won't happen. No point in beating a dead horse. Either continue using OE if it works for you or switch to something else. However, that won't solve your "syncrhonization" complaint regarding the NNTP server expiring articles (removing them) and your newsreader staying in sync with what articles have been removed. I can't speak positively for all newsreaders but the half dozen, or more, that I've trialed all do this. You need move the posts into your own separate store. In OE, that's just another folder separate of the one under the news server folder tree. That would be fine, if there were an option to do it automatically (i.e., archive message in this separate folder). I'd be fine with that. But to individually move messages one-by-one is a ridiculous waste of time. Also, since OE doesn't give me the courtesy of prompting me before it deletes messages from my hard drive, that means I'd have to do it after every download, every visit to the newsgroup. Again, a ridiculous waste of time. And, again, this isn't way OE used to work (your above statements notwithstanding). You will need to download the bodies for all those archived posts as obviously if you just download headers because it won't be on the server when you later want to read the post. That means a LOT more downloading; i.e., you will have to download the bodies for all posts in all the subscribed newsgroups rather than just those that you choose to read as you peruse the newsgroups. This will fill up the .dbx files a lot faster. If you switch to Windows Live Mail, you might ask in those newsgroups if there is a limit. WLM doesn't use a single .dbx file to hold the contents of posts in a newsgroup (one .dbx file per newsgroup). Instead WLM scatters folders under your %userprofile% for each newsgroup and each e-mail or post is a separate file. So WLM is saving the items in the file system rather than in a file. There is an index file to keep track of what item is in what folder object within WLM. I don't know if there are problems with indexing or total item counts in the index file. I personally do not like WLM creating all the folders and files on my drive. You can ask in the following group if there are any size maximums per newgroup or per news server: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop Thanks. Even if the message store was dynamically expanded so it could be an infinite size (up to consuming all the free space on your drives), more items to hold and index means a slower performing newsreader. You need to trim down your stored posts, especially for those with bodies, to keep your newsreader responsive. Would you want to wait many minutes, or perhaps much longer for a huge archive, to access a newsgroup? You see a lot of users trying to emulate Google Groups to archive all those old posts? You missed my point. I didn't say I wanted to keep messages indefinitely and with an infinite amount of space. I said that I want to be the one to decide when and if messages are deleted, not have the software automatically do it for me. Telling the software delete messages older than X days, or delete messages when the store for that group gets about X MB is something I should be able to do. I'm not saying it should be infinite; just that I should control it. Thanks, Neil |
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"Doug W." stand@attention wrote in message ... Chrome is APOS. So was Windows 1.0. Think big, Doug. The future is not now, but it will be. :-) |
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"Gerry" wrote in message ... VanguardLH I archive news posts. I do this every 14 days. Would you mind telling me your process for doing this? Thanks. |
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Neil,
This featured was introduced in Outlook Express 5. It was considered a "bug" in the beta stage, by some, and an improvement by others, from OE4. So this "bug" or feature has been around close to a decade now. Since many ISP's are dropping newsgroup service, people have had to choose another service. Many of the "free" news companies, have a short retention period for storing messages on their servers. This means they can keep their costs down, and be able to offer the free service to the public. But it also means that this OE action will be more noticeable to users, if they did not see it before, because their former new service, had a longer message retention policy. People will need to have to subscribe to News companies that have a longer retention policy, which they will need to pay for themselves. Or create a new local folder or folders, and copy/move the message you want to keep to this (these) folder(s). As stated many times in this newsgroup, the OE development team has been disbanded, so their will be no new adjustments/fixes/upgrades to this application, except for the occasional security update. Here is a short list of newsgroup threads found in Google Newsgroups, about this subject. OE5 removes messages from local file! Thread Posted on 2/16/1999 microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie5beta.outlookexpre ss http://groups.google.com/group/micro...+news+messages Another thread about this Posted: microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.outlookexpress newsgroup 6/26/2000 http://groups.google.com/group/micro...e258565f148135 -- Add MS to your News Reader: news://msnews.microsoft.com Rich/rerat (RRR News) message rule Previous Text Snipped to Save Bandwidth When Appropriate "Neil" wrote in message ... I'm using OE6 as my newsgroup reader. I keep losing my already-downloaded headings from newsgroups. Very frustrating. I want to keep them. Under Options, Maintenance, I have every box UNCHECKED, and all my subscribed newsgroups are set to Don't Synchronize. What am I doing wrong? How can I keep OE from periodically deleting my downloaded headers? Thanks! |
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