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  #1  
Old May 1st, 2004, 12:51 PM
atlpartyboiy
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

i downlloaded it 2 days ago i know what your are saying there is just a mild differnce in the programs
a question for you did you say that you knew and did programe some of it to meet your needs ?
  #2  
Old May 1st, 2004, 01:34 PM
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.

Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the functionality.
For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for power users. No PIM
program, no office automation, etc.

Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance with
something that actually works as advertised.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous asked:

| Hi,
|
| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is € 500 ($600).
| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent a
| cheaper solution.
| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|
| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, you
| see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the years
| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your company.
|
|
| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue to
| pay when you can get the same for free.
|
| Niax


  #3  
Old May 1st, 2004, 02:59 PM
Patriot
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to put in
a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually recommend and
make it available to many occasional, home and light office users.

The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even after
years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation and serving
customer needs is the accepted norm.

Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is to be
expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. After a few
conversations with their professional support people one wonders what went
wrong.

So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of the
laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able to expect
from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.

OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish not to
buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve their needs. So
in showing consideration for these users it is totally in line to indicate
there are other options available to them.

Free is a good price for a great compromise program.

Thank you

Patriot




"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
wrote in message ...
Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.

Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the functionality.
For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for power users. No PIM
program, no office automation, etc.

Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance with
something that actually works as advertised.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous asked:

| Hi,
|
| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent a
| cheaper solution.
| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|
| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, you
| see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the years
| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your company.
|
|
| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue to
| pay when you can get the same for free.
|
| Niax




  #4  
Old May 1st, 2004, 07:08 PM
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.


--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax


  #5  
Old May 1st, 2004, 09:00 PM
Toby Ridge
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax



  #6  
Old May 1st, 2004, 09:24 PM
Patriot
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Posts: n/a
Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down. Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end.

She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the
lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and
rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even hung
up on Office 97 too.

Patriot


"Toby Ridge" wrote in message
...
Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't

care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences

of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a

MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely

lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old

Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document

or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office

97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax





  #7  
Old May 1st, 2004, 10:33 PM
Mercury
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Posts: n/a
Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

It seems you are the one who is attempting to put someone down, while you
are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very good, and lacks most of
the features power users need and want.


"Patriot" wrote in message
...
It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down.

Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end.

She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the
lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and
rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even

hung
up on Office 97 too.

Patriot


"Toby Ridge" wrote in message
...
Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't

care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her

experiences
of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a

MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o

or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely

lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old

Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has

a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document

or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook

to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you

might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office

97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my

personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot

asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area

to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware

of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never

get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to

them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due

to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo

expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a

presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500

($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and

implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper

www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did),

it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax







  #8  
Old May 2nd, 2004, 12:10 AM
Patriot
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Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for those who need
basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I thoroughly support
helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to or can not obtain
and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations.

Making these priced right programs available to those who would use them is
only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or create any
financial havoc to their organization.

When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was making an issue of a
person attempting to assist by offering the info and then belittleing the
merits of OO.

Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite so "bad" precluding
propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help someone else.

We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all the immense awe,
adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do not believe a boundry
is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an alternative to
someone.

Thank you

Patriot


"Mercury" wrote in message
...
It seems you are the one who is attempting to put someone down, while you
are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very good, and lacks most of
the features power users need and want.


"Patriot" wrote in message
...
It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down.

Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end.

She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the
lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program

and
rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even

hung
up on Office 97 too.

Patriot


"Toby Ridge" wrote in message
...
Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I

couldn't
care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her

experiences
of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is

a
MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not

OO.o
or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a

place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely

lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old

Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It

has
a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple

document
or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a

hook
to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you

might
approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft

Office
97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my

personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot

asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area

to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I

continually
| recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk

even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace

innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security

is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with

MS.
| After a few conversations with their professional support people

one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware

of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be

able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never

get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who

wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other options available to

them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get

assistance
|| with something that actually works as advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due

to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo

expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a

presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500

($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in

their
||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and

implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper

www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office

version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout

the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I

did),
it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you

continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax








  #9  
Old May 2nd, 2004, 01:48 AM
Chris Schatte
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

Apparently someone from Microsoft if forcing you to use=20
their Office products. They don't force us to. We tried=20
OO and Star Office for our small business and home use=20
and found them very lacking to say the least. OO and Star=20
Office are marketed against Office as an alternative, and=20
the average daily user power or not would have to totally=20
re-train themselves in usage. Cost ratio vs Office,=20
granted, it is more but, the range of products aptly=20
applied to each user more than makes up the difference.
I would use my old (oem)copy of Lotus Smart Suite 97=20
again before either OO or Star Office....

-----Original Message-----
Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for=20

those who need
basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I=20

thoroughly support
helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to=20

or can not obtain
and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations.

Making these priced right programs available to those=20

who would use them is
only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or=20

create any
financial havoc to their organization.

When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was=20

making an issue of a
person attempting to assist by offering the info and =20

then belittleing the
merits of OO.

Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite=20

so "bad" precluding
propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help=20

someone else.

We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all=20

the immense awe,
adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do=20

not believe a boundry
is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an=20

alternative to
someone.

Thank you

Patriot


"Mercury" wrote in message
...
It seems you are the one who is attempting to put=20

someone down, while you
are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very=20

good, and lacks most of
the features power users need and want.


"Patriot" wrote in message
...
It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put=20

someone or something down.
Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it=20

on a bad week end.

She rather resents, in this instance, the=20

recommendation of OO for the
lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some=20

other non MS program
and
rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It=20

appears she is even
hung
up on Office 97 too.

Patriot


"Toby Ridge" wrote in=20

message
...
Why is this woman telling us about linux and her=20

smartsuite. I
couldn't
care
less and she should refrain from posting on this=20

newsgroup her
experiences
of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to=20

know it) that this is
a
MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with=20

Microsoft Office, not
OO.o
or
Star Office. If you want to extol their=20

virtues, then post in a
place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x)=20

and find it severely
lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite=20

should be. Even my old
Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than=20

that program. It
has
a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than=20

prepare a simple
document
or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major=20

drawback. Put in a
hook
to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell=20

owns it) and you
might
approach 25% of the functionality already=20

existing in Microsoft
Office
97.

--=81
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the=20

discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all=20

mail sent to my
personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no=20

answer, Patriot
asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be=20

the most apropos area
to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is=20

no troll. I
continually
| recommend and make it available to many=20

occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over=20

loaded with junk
even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage=20

to replace
innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted=20

norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program=20

integrity and security
is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear=20

when dealing with
MS.
| After a few conversations with their=20

professional support people
one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I=20

am also quite aware
of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality=20

design we should be
able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but=20

probably will never
get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament=20

alternative to those who
wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler=20

program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for=20

these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other=20

options available to
them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise=20

program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
| =20

wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star=20

Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs=20

without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may=20

be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office=20

automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are=20

happy to get
assistance
|| with something that actually works as=20

advertised.
||
||
|| --=81
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the=20

discussion intact. Due
to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus,=20

all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without=20

reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding=20

no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows=20

Office is just soo
expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view=20

or write a
presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an=20

end-user is ? 500
($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to=20

pay per user in
their
||| company is way out and companies need to=20

judge, analyse and
implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live=20

cheaper
www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just=20

great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-

sourced office
version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you=20

aquired throughout
the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you=20

stick to it(like I
did),
it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to=20

MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to=20

suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you=20

have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet=20

or why do you
continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax








.

  #10  
Old May 2nd, 2004, 05:44 AM
Patriot
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice

It appears we are now running into a learning curve thing with some folks.

Those I help love OO for it's simplicity and of course the price. I have
never used it nor had it loaded on a machine.

Our corporate interaction has us pretty well locked in on using MS products
because they are the same for all practical purposes in the countries that
can legally import and use them.

We do use Corel WordPerfect for the more intricate interoffice word
processing tasks and especially in instances where special formatting is
imperative and/or professional printing will be used.

So far the folks I point toward OO that can read and write and are somewhat
computer literate have no problems and are grateful.

Come on and put your heart into it. I just know you can do it with some
effort and determination.

Thank you

Patriot


"Chris Schatte" wrote in message
...
Apparently someone from Microsoft if forcing you to use
their Office products. They don't force us to. We tried
OO and Star Office for our small business and home use
and found them very lacking to say the least. OO and Star
Office are marketed against Office as an alternative, and
the average daily user power or not would have to totally
re-train themselves in usage. Cost ratio vs Office,
granted, it is more but, the range of products aptly
applied to each user more than makes up the difference.
I would use my old (oem)copy of Lotus Smart Suite 97
again before either OO or Star Office....

-----Original Message-----
Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for

those who need
basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I

thoroughly support
helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to

or can not obtain
and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations.

Making these priced right programs available to those

who would use them is
only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or

create any
financial havoc to their organization.

When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was

making an issue of a
person attempting to assist by offering the info and

then belittleing the
merits of OO.

Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite

so "bad" precluding
propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help

someone else.

We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all

the immense awe,
adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do

not believe a boundry
is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an

alternative to
someone.

Thank you

Patriot


"Mercury" wrote in message
...
It seems you are the one who is attempting to put

someone down, while you
are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very

good, and lacks most of
the features power users need and want.


"Patriot" wrote in message
...
It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put

someone or something down.
Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it

on a bad week end.

She rather resents, in this instance, the

recommendation of OO for the
lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some

other non MS program
and
rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It

appears she is even
hung
up on Office 97 too.

Patriot


"Toby Ridge" wrote in

message
...
Why is this woman telling us about linux and her

smartsuite. I
couldn't
care
less and she should refrain from posting on this

newsgroup her
experiences
of
fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to

know it) that this is
a
MS
hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products.



"Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote:

Um, this is a forum to get assistance with

Microsoft Office, not
OO.o
or
Star Office. If you want to extol their

virtues, then post in a
place
appropriate to the product being extolled.

This is not one of them.

I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x)

and find it severely
lacking
from my expectations of what an office suite

should be. Even my old
Lotus
SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than

that program. It
has
a
LONG way to go for anyone who does more than

prepare a simple
document
or
uses a simple list in a spreadsheet.

And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major

drawback. Put in a
hook
to
Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell

owns it) and you
might
approach 25% of the functionality already

existing in Microsoft
Office
97.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the

discussion intact. Due to
the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all

mail sent to my
personal
account will be deleted without reading.

After searching google.groups.com and finding no

answer, Patriot
asked:

| While the Microsoft public boards may not be

the most apropos area
to
| put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is

no troll. I
continually
| recommend and make it available to many

occasional, home and light
| office users.
|
| The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over

loaded with junk
even
| after years of work. Using financial leverage

to replace
innovation
| and serving customer needs is the accepted

norm.
|
| Over pricing and scant regard for program

integrity and security
is
| to be expected and the reasons are quite clear

when dealing with
MS.
| After a few conversations with their

professional support people
one
| wonders what went wrong.
|
| So while I am forced to use many MS products I

am also quite aware
of
| the laggardly incorporation of the quality

design we should be
able
| to expect from the worlds software leader but

probably will never
get.
|
| OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament

alternative to those who
wish
| not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler

program will serve
| their needs. So in showing consideration for

these users it is
| totally in line to indicate there are other

options available to
them.
|
| Free is a good price for a great compromise

program.
|
| Thank you
|
| Patriot
|
|
|
|
| "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]"
|

wrote in message
| ...
|| Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star

Office.
||
|| Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs

without half the
|| functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may

be enough - not for
|| power users. No PIM program, no office

automation, etc.
||
|| Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are

happy to get
assistance
|| with something that actually works as

advertised.
||
||
|| --
|| Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]
||
|| Post all replies to the group to keep the

discussion intact. Due
to
|| the (insert latest virus name here) virus,

all mail sent to my
|| personal account will be deleted without

reading.
||
|| After searching google.groups.com and finding

no answer, niaxous
|| asked:
||
||| Hi,
|||
||| I know I am off the subject but Windows

Office is just soo
expensive
||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view

or write a
presentation.
||| In Europe the simple office version to an

end-user is ? 500
($600).
||| The lisence agreement that companies have to

pay per user in
their
||| company is way out and companies need to

judge, analyse and
implent
||| a cheaper solution.
||| There's one alternative which makes live

cheaper
www.openoffice.org.
|||
||| I downloaded this version and it's just

great to use.
||| It is only when you start using this open-

sourced office
version,
||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you

aquired throughout
the
||| years
||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you

stick to it(like I
did),
it
||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to

MS.
||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!!
||| If you have programming skills, modify it to

suit you or your
||| company.
|||
|||
||| I would like to have your comments, if you

have tried to use
||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet

or why do you
continue
||| to pay when you can get the same for free.
|||
||| Niax








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