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Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice
i downlloaded it 2 days ago i know what your are saying there is just a mild differnce in the programs
a question for you did you say that you knew and did programe some of it to meet your needs ? |
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Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice
Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office.
Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance with something that actually works as advertised. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous asked: | Hi, | | I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive | to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. | In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is € 500 ($600). | The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their | company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent a | cheaper solution. | There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. | | I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. | It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, you | see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the years | are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it | will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. | No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! | If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your company. | | | I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use | openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue to | pay when you can get the same for free. | | Niax |
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While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to put in
a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light office users. The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. After a few conversations with their professional support people one wonders what went wrong. So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. Free is a good price for a great compromise program. Thank you Patriot "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote in message ... Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance with something that actually works as advertised. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous asked: | Hi, | | I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive | to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. | In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). | The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their | company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent a | cheaper solution. | There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. | | I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. | It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, you | see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the years | are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it | will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. | No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! | If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your company. | | | I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use | openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue to | pay when you can get the same for free. | | Niax |
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Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice
Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or
Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax |
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Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care
less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax |
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Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice
It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down. Her
postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end. She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even hung up on Office 97 too. Patriot "Toby Ridge" wrote in message ... Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax |
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It seems you are the one who is attempting to put someone down, while you
are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very good, and lacks most of the features power users need and want. "Patriot" wrote in message ... It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down. Her postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end. She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even hung up on Office 97 too. Patriot "Toby Ridge" wrote in message ... Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax |
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Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for those who need
basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I thoroughly support helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to or can not obtain and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations. Making these priced right programs available to those who would use them is only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or create any financial havoc to their organization. When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was making an issue of a person attempting to assist by offering the info and then belittleing the merits of OO. Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite so "bad" precluding propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help someone else. We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all the immense awe, adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do not believe a boundry is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an alternative to someone. Thank you Patriot "Mercury" wrote in message ... It seems you are the one who is attempting to put someone down, while you are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very good, and lacks most of the features power users need and want. "Patriot" wrote in message ... It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down. Her postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end. She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even hung up on Office 97 too. Patriot "Toby Ridge" wrote in message ... Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open-sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax |
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Apparently someone from Microsoft if forcing you to use=20
their Office products. They don't force us to. We tried=20 OO and Star Office for our small business and home use=20 and found them very lacking to say the least. OO and Star=20 Office are marketed against Office as an alternative, and=20 the average daily user power or not would have to totally=20 re-train themselves in usage. Cost ratio vs Office,=20 granted, it is more but, the range of products aptly=20 applied to each user more than makes up the difference. I would use my old (oem)copy of Lotus Smart Suite 97=20 again before either OO or Star Office.... -----Original Message----- Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for=20 those who need basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I=20 thoroughly support helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to=20 or can not obtain and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations. Making these priced right programs available to those=20 who would use them is only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or=20 create any financial havoc to their organization. When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was=20 making an issue of a person attempting to assist by offering the info and =20 then belittleing the merits of OO. Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite=20 so "bad" precluding propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help=20 someone else. We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all=20 the immense awe, adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do=20 not believe a boundry is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an=20 alternative to someone. Thank you Patriot "Mercury" wrote in message ... It seems you are the one who is attempting to put=20 someone down, while you are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very=20 good, and lacks most of the features power users need and want. "Patriot" wrote in message ... It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put=20 someone or something down. Her postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it=20 on a bad week end. She rather resents, in this instance, the=20 recommendation of OO for the lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some=20 other non MS program and rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It=20 appears she is even hung up on Office 97 too. Patriot "Toby Ridge" wrote in=20 message ... Why is this woman telling us about linux and her=20 smartsuite. I couldn't care less and she should refrain from posting on this=20 newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to=20 know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with=20 Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their=20 virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x)=20 and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite=20 should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than=20 that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than=20 prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major=20 drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell=20 owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already=20 existing in Microsoft Office 97. --=81 Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the=20 discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all=20 mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no=20 answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be=20 the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is=20 no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many=20 occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over=20 loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage=20 to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted=20 norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program=20 integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear=20 when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their=20 professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I=20 am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality=20 design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but=20 probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament=20 alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler=20 program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for=20 these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other=20 options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise=20 program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | =20 wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star=20 Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs=20 without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may=20 be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office=20 automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are=20 happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as=20 advertised. || || || --=81 || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the=20 discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus,=20 all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without=20 reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding=20 no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows=20 Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view=20 or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an=20 end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to=20 pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to=20 judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live=20 cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just=20 great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open- sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you=20 aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you=20 stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to=20 MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to=20 suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you=20 have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet=20 or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax . |
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Say "NO" to Windows Office - Try OpenOffice
It appears we are now running into a learning curve thing with some folks.
Those I help love OO for it's simplicity and of course the price. I have never used it nor had it loaded on a machine. Our corporate interaction has us pretty well locked in on using MS products because they are the same for all practical purposes in the countries that can legally import and use them. We do use Corel WordPerfect for the more intricate interoffice word processing tasks and especially in instances where special formatting is imperative and/or professional printing will be used. So far the folks I point toward OO that can read and write and are somewhat computer literate have no problems and are grateful. Come on and put your heart into it. I just know you can do it with some effort and determination. Thank you Patriot "Chris Schatte" wrote in message ... Apparently someone from Microsoft if forcing you to use their Office products. They don't force us to. We tried OO and Star Office for our small business and home use and found them very lacking to say the least. OO and Star Office are marketed against Office as an alternative, and the average daily user power or not would have to totally re-train themselves in usage. Cost ratio vs Office, granted, it is more but, the range of products aptly applied to each user more than makes up the difference. I would use my old (oem)copy of Lotus Smart Suite 97 again before either OO or Star Office.... -----Original Message----- Sorry, OO is not being "stooged" for power users but for those who need basic office tools at a price that is just plain okay. I thoroughly support helping someone who for whatever reason does not wish to or can not obtain and utilized the high powered and gawdy MS creations. Making these priced right programs available to those who would use them is only common decency and will not cause lay offs at MS or create any financial havoc to their organization. When I recently came on the scene this Milly person was making an issue of a person attempting to assist by offering the info and then belittleing the merits of OO. Perhaps she needs another weekend that isn't quite so "bad" precluding propensity to mouth off at a person's attempt to help someone else. We realize this is an MS topic board and accord it all the immense awe, adoration and respectability it demands. However, I do not believe a boundry is drawn which precludes a simple statement offering an alternative to someone. Thank you Patriot "Mercury" wrote in message ... It seems you are the one who is attempting to put someone down, while you are stooging for OpenOffice. It is really not very good, and lacks most of the features power users need and want. "Patriot" wrote in message ... It's just Milly in yet another attempt to put someone or something down. Her postings are of most value when ignored. Blames it on a bad week end. She rather resents, in this instance, the recommendation of OO for the lesser demanding users yet extolls virtue of some other non MS program and rambles on about some other somewhat obscure OS. It appears she is even hung up on Office 97 too. Patriot "Toby Ridge" wrote in message ... Why is this woman telling us about linux and her smartsuite. I couldn't care less and she should refrain from posting on this newsgroup her experiences of fringe packages. she knows it well (or ought to know it) that this is a MS hosted newsgroup dealing with Ms' products. "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" wrote: Um, this is a forum to get assistance with Microsoft Office, not OO.o or Star Office. If you want to extol their virtues, then post in a place appropriate to the product being extolled. This is not one of them. I use OO.o on my Linux machine (Mandrake 9.x) and find it severely lacking from my expectations of what an office suite should be. Even my old Lotus SmartSuite (1999?) does things a LOT better than that program. It has a LONG way to go for anyone who does more than prepare a simple document or uses a simple list in a spreadsheet. And, as I said, the lack of a PIM is a major drawback. Put in a hook to Evolution (probably not possible now that Novell owns it) and you might approach 25% of the functionality already existing in Microsoft Office 97. -- Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my personal account will be deleted without reading. After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, Patriot asked: | While the Microsoft public boards may not be the most apropos area to | put in a plug for OpenOffice it certainly is no troll. I continually | recommend and make it available to many occasional, home and light | office users. | | The MS renditions remain quite clutzy and over loaded with junk even | after years of work. Using financial leverage to replace innovation | and serving customer needs is the accepted norm. | | Over pricing and scant regard for program integrity and security is | to be expected and the reasons are quite clear when dealing with MS. | After a few conversations with their professional support people one | wonders what went wrong. | | So while I am forced to use many MS products I am also quite aware of | the laggardly incorporation of the quality design we should be able | to expect from the worlds software leader but probably will never get. | | OpenOffice is indeed a very legitament alternative to those who wish | not to buy the MS monsters when a much simpler program will serve | their needs. So in showing consideration for these users it is | totally in line to indicate there are other options available to them. | | Free is a good price for a great compromise program. | | Thank you | | Patriot | | | | | "Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]" | wrote in message | ... || Tried it - didn't like it. Same with Star Office. || || Why you ask? Cheap MS Office knock offs without half the || functionality. For dear old mum and dad, may be enough - not for || power users. No PIM program, no office automation, etc. || || Try your trolling elsewhere, folks here are happy to get assistance || with something that actually works as advertised. || || || -- || Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook] || || Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact. Due to || the (insert latest virus name here) virus, all mail sent to my || personal account will be deleted without reading. || || After searching google.groups.com and finding no answer, niaxous || asked: || ||| Hi, ||| ||| I know I am off the subject but Windows Office is just soo expensive ||| to write a letter, view an exell file, view or write a presentation. ||| In Europe the simple office version to an end-user is ? 500 ($600). ||| The lisence agreement that companies have to pay per user in their ||| company is way out and companies need to judge, analyse and implent ||| a cheaper solution. ||| There's one alternative which makes live cheaper www.openoffice.org. ||| ||| I downloaded this version and it's just great to use. ||| It is only when you start using this open- sourced office version, ||| you see that those MS Office mechanism you aquired throughout the ||| years ||| are a bit a pain to implement but if you stick to it(like I did), it ||| will eventually avoid paying those bucks to MS. ||| No need to pirate it, it's for FREE!!!!! ||| If you have programming skills, modify it to suit you or your ||| company. ||| ||| ||| I would like to have your comments, if you have tried to use ||| openoffice or why you haven't tried it, yet or why do you continue ||| to pay when you can get the same for free. ||| ||| Niax . |
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