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  #1  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 05:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
jenniferspnc
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Posts: 65
Default Slow form, again

Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source, Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value, Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID, Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this database.

Thanks!
  #2  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 06:02 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Steve[_77_]
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Posts: 1,017
Default Slow form, again

Hello Jennifer,

I provide help with Access, Excel and Word applications for a very nominal
fee. I would like to offer to take a look at your database and see what is
needed to fix it. If it can be fixed, my fee would be very modest. There
would be no charge if it can not be fixed. Give me a chance to try to get it
downto couple of seconds. Contact me.

Steve



"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source,
Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value,
Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties
of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!



  #3  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 06:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Gina Whipp
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Posts: 3,500
Default Slow form, again

jenniferspnc,

So far nothing you have shown explains the slowness... What version of
Access? On a *copy* of the database have you tried removing the subforms
and adding them back one at a time while checking the load time to see if
one of those subforms is the issue?

--
Gina Whipp
2010 Microsoft MVP (Access)

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II

http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm

"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source, Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value, Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!


  #4  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 06:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Daniel Pineault
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Posts: 658
Default Slow form, again

Come on Steve! Does it never end. People come here for free help, not a
sale pitch!

If you have constructive advice to give on how they can try to resolve their
given problem, then give it. Otherwise, just don't answer.
--
Daniel Pineault




"Steve" wrote:

Hello Jennifer,

I provide help with Access, Excel and Word applications for a very nominal
fee. I would like to offer to take a look at your database and see what is
needed to fix it. If it can be fixed, my fee would be very modest. There
would be no charge if it can not be fixed. Give me a chance to try to get it
downto couple of seconds. Contact me.

Steve



"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source,
Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value,
Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties
of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!



.

  #5  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 07:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Daniel Pineault
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Posts: 658
Default Slow form, again

I know one issue I have had was entirely related to network/server
performance. What is the path to your db? How many sub-directories deep is
it place on the server?

If you can, try placing the back-end on the very top level (no
sub-directories) and see if speed improves.

Each user has their own copy of the Front-End?
Each user has their copy placed on their own PC, not on the server?
The database is maintained (compacted and repair from time to time)?
--
Hope this helps,

Daniel Pineault
http://www.cardaconsultants.com/
For Access Tips and Examples: http://www.devhut.net
Please rate this post using the vote buttons if it was helpful.



"jenniferspnc" wrote:

Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source, Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value, Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID, Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this database.

Thanks!

  #6  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 07:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Stop$teve
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Posts: 76
Default Slow form, again


"Steve" schreef in bericht ...
Hello Jennifer,

I provide help with Access, Excel and Word applications for a very nominal fee. I would like to offer to take a look at your
database and see what is needed to fix it. If it can be fixed, my fee would be very modest. There would be no charge if it can not
be fixed. Give me a chance to try to get it downto couple of seconds. Contact me.



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Again... Get lost $teve. Go away... far away....
No-one wants you here... no-one needs you here...

This newsgroup is meant for FREE help..
No-one wants you here... no-one needs you here...
OP look at http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/whoissteve.html
(Website has been updated and has a new 'look'... we have passed 11.500 pageloads... it's a shame !!)

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  #7  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Jeff Boyce
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Posts: 8,621
Default Slow form, again

Are you doing this over a LAN, or over a WAN?

Is your form bound directly to the table, or to a query? And to how many
rows?

Regards

Jeff Boyce
Microsoft Access MVP

--
Disclaimer: This author may have received products and services mentioned
in this post. Mention and/or description of a product or service herein
does not constitute endorsement thereof.

Any code or pseudocode included in this post is offered "as is", with no
guarantee as to suitability.

You can thank the FTC of the USA for making this disclaimer
possible/necessary.

"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source,
Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value,
Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties
of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!



  #8  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 08:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
John... Visio MVP
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Posts: 900
Default Slow form, again

"Steve" wrote in message
...
Hello Jennifer,

I provide help with Access, Excel and Word applications for a very nominal
fee. I would like to offer to take a look at your database and see what is
needed to fix it. If it can be fixed, my fee would be very modest. There
would be no charge if it can not be fixed. Give me a chance to try to get
it downto couple of seconds. Contact me.

Steve



Please do not feed the trolls!


Stevie is our own personal pet troll who is the only one who does not
understand the concept of FREE peer to peer support!
He offers questionable results at unreasonable prices.

These newsgroups are provided by Microsoft for FREE peer to peer support.
There are many highly qualified individuals who gladly help for free. Stevie
is not one of them, but he is the only one who just does not get the idea of
"FREE" support. He offers questionable results at unreasonable prices. If he
was any good, the "thousands" of people he claims to have helped would be
flooding him with work, but there appears to be a continuous drought and he
needs to constantly grovel for work.

Please do not feed the trolls.

John... Visio MVP

  #9  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 09:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
Gina Whipp
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Posts: 3,500
Default Slow form, again

RESUBMITTING because I can't see my own post...

jenniferspnc,

So far nothing you have shown explains the slowness... What version of
Access? On a *copy* of the database have you tried removing the subforms
and adding them back one at a time while checking the load time to see if
one of those subforms is the issue?

--
Gina Whipp
2010 Microsoft MVP (Access)

"I feel I have been denied critical, need to know, information!" - Tremors
II

http://www.regina-whipp.com/index_files/TipList.htm

"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source, Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value, Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!


  #10  
Old February 22nd, 2010, 09:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.access.tablesdbdesign
jenniferspnc
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Posts: 65
Default Slow form, again

Thanks everyone for the posts. I'll try to answer all the questions here.

It is over a LAN and the form is bound to a query.

I put the BE two folders down (the closest I can get) and the name is short
(Oppt_be). Each user has their own FE installed on their desktop. Yes, I do
compact and repair often.

Using Access 2007
Yes I actually thought of it and did take off one subform at a time trying
to isolate the "problem."
Removing all subforms gets the form to load in about 15 seconds. But
removing only one at a time may only save me like 5 seconds (so with 3 that's
about 15 seconds).

Not sure if it is server related but this afternoon it was only taking 30
seconds to load vs this morning 40 seconds, and I hadn't made any changes to
the original.

If it's not my database I'm not sure what to tell my co-workers and boss for
a solution. But it's taking too much time to enter information.

Thanks for the FREE advice. Truly helps me learn instead of having someone
else do it for me.



"Jeff Boyce" wrote:

Are you doing this over a LAN, or over a WAN?

Is your form bound directly to the table, or to a query? And to how many
rows?

Regards

Jeff Boyce
Microsoft Access MVP

--
Disclaimer: This author may have received products and services mentioned
in this post. Mention and/or description of a product or service herein
does not constitute endorsement thereof.

Any code or pseudocode included in this post is offered "as is", with no
guarantee as to suitability.

You can thank the FTC of the USA for making this disclaimer
possible/necessary.

"jenniferspnc" wrote in message
...
Okay I'm back again, with the same problem, and at a loss. This is my 2nd
database, and same brick wall! The loading of my form takes upwards of 40
seconds to load. I've gone through steps offered at previous posts
(http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/performancefaq.htm).

I even downloaded a template database (sales pipeline) from Microsoft and
once split it slowed down dramatically as well...takes a solid minute to
load
their form. Could that suggest that my database design is solely not the
problem and perhaps the network doesn't help?

Details of my database: My form pulls off a query (query takes about 10
seconds for 20 records), SQL is
SELECT Opportunity.Opportunity_ID, Opportunity.Date_Today,
Opportunity.Business_Segement, Opportunity.Source,
Opportunity.[Opportunity
Details], Opportunity.Status, Opportunity.Opportunity_Value,
Opportunity.GP,
Opportunity.Timeframe_Months, Opportunity.Client_ID,
Opportunity.Approval_ID,
Opportunity.Client_Type, Opportunity.AM_ID, Opportunity.[Additional Notes]
FROM Opportunity;

I have 3 subforms but those seem to load fairly quickly when run
individually (3-5 seconds).


I've read, "Delete the SQL from the RecordSource and RowSource properties
of
the form, subforms, comboboxes and listboxes. Now in the Form_Load event
load
the appropriate SQL." I have three combo boxes, details to follow below.
This may be the important piece I am missing only because I am confused on
how to go about. If this is the culprit of my design could someone please
help me with what the appropriate SQL that should be loaded on the Event
page?

Combo Box Details:
Client: Control Source Client_ID/Row Source Client_Name/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Manager: Control Source AM_ID/Row Source SELECT [Account_Managers
Query].[AM_ID], [Account_Managers Query].[Account_Manager_Name] FROM
[Account_Managers Query] ORDER BY [Account_Manager_Name];/Row Source Type
Table/Query

Segment: Control Source Business_Segment/Row Source
"Corp";"Mid";"Other"/Row Source Type Value List

Please help. I hear grunts when people have to enter data into this
database.

Thanks!



.

 




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