StyleRef Formatting Frustrations

OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a
paragraph style, what style is it based on?

FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I
can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to
MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it
and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New
Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS
Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place!
AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck
is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's
not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my
problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I
sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an
entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if
you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR.

There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which
covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make
that one Arial or TNR, too.

Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has
its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the
beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.)

On Aug 6, 10:24*pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help. *

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't
figure out why or how to fix it. *

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! *AAHHHH!! *
Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is
happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr. *

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my problem
but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure
would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance! *
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored.

I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form
field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form
field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the
formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to
believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document
somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font
dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it.

PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever
it's defaulting to... is ugly!
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a
paragraph style, what style is it based on?

FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I
can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to
MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it
and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New
Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS
Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place!
AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck
is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's
not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my
problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I
sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

Actually, I do have MS Gothic on my machine. My bad. But it's not a Chinese
font, it's English characters. I'm not sure where Styel(s)Font is! In
ToolsStyles and Formatting, when I click it the Styles and Formatting pane
comes open and I don't see anywhere in any of my styles where there's
anything that says Asian Fonts or Complex and I'm not sure where to look.
Can you be a bit more specific? I'm using Word 03 on a WinXP machine if that
helps. --Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an
entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if
you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR.

There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which
covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make
that one Arial or TNR, too.

Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has
its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the
beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.)

On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

I could upload the file to my server and post a link to it if that's helpful.
Here, just in case, I'll upload it to:
http://www.awablue.com/506xTransferSummary.dot
If that at all helps.
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a
paragraph style, what style is it based on?

FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I
can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to
MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it
and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New
Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS
Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place!
AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck
is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's
not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my
problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I
sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

I found Microsoft Office 2003 Language Settings under Start\All Programs\MS
etc. etc. and the only language I have installed is English.
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!


"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:

MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an
entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if
you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR.

There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which
covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make
that one Arial or TNR, too.

Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has
its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the
beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.)

On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting it and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? It's not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!

All the Chinese fonts have a full set of Roman letters (and lots of
stuff that doesn't appear in regular Roman fonts), and MS Gothic is
probably installed automatically.

Choose a style in the S&F panel, right-click, and choose Modify, and
in the panel that appears click Formatting Fonts. You get the same
panel you see with Format Fonts when you're out in your document,
and that's where you can change the fonts in case MS Gothic is the
Asian default (if Asian is enabled in Windows).

Or, you could simply uninstall the MS Gothic font by going to the
Fonts area of Start Control Panel.

On Aug 6, 11:58*pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
Actually, I do have MS Gothic on my machine. *My bad. *But it's not a Chinese
font, it's English characters. *I'm not sure where Styel(s)Font is! *In
ToolsStyles and Formatting, when I click it the Styles and Formatting pane
comes open and I don't see anywhere in any of my styles where there's
anything that says Asian Fonts or Complex and I'm not sure where to look. *
Can you be a bit more specific? *I'm using Word 03 on a WinXP machine if that
helps. *--Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!



"Peter T. Daniels" wrote:
MS Gothic is a Chinese font. In your Style(s) Font, is there an
entry area under "Asian fonts"? If MS Gothic is chosen there, see if
you can change it to something innocuous like Arial or TNR.

There's a third area for a default font, called "Complex," which
covers Arabic/Hebrew and Indian fonts. You should also be able to make
that one Arial or TNR, too.

Presumably those two extra areas are only shown if your computer has
its Asian and Complex abilities turned on (mine were from the
beginning, so I don't know what it looks like without them.)

On Aug 6, 10:24 pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help. *

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I can't
figure out why or how to fix it. *

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place! *AAHHHH!! *
Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck is
happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr. *

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my problem
but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I sure
would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance! *
Best,
Dax

Aha! Ctrl-Spacebar is the Windows command to switch to the Chinese
IME, and it overrides Word's "clear formatting" command -- you have to
use Ctrl-Shift-Z to clear formatting in Word. (Changing the Windows
keyboard shortcut for switching to Chinese -- in the Regional and
Language Settings part of Control Panel -- does _not_ stick.)

Which means that Asian typing is enabled on your computer.

On Aug 6, 11:37*pm, Dax Arroway
wrote:
Ms. Barnhill herself! *WOW! *Thanks for coming to my rescue. *I'm honored. *

I'm using a character style. *Funny thing is when I simply insert a form
field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form
field, it switches to MS Gothic. *If I insert the field and clear the
formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. *This leads me to
believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document
somewhere or somehow. *I even changed the Default Font by using the Font
dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it. *

PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. *MS Gothic, or whatever
it's defaulting to... is ugly! *
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!



"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a
paragraph style, what style is it based on?

FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! *I'm hoping someone can please help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef trick
with. *The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. *So far so good. *I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I
can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes to
MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. *I tried deleting it
and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New
Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. *And it gets weirder! *If I insert a form field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS
Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place!
AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? *Does anyone have any clue as to what the heck
is
happening with this form? *Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from? *It's
not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. *Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? *'Cause I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! *I know that won't fix my
problem
but it sure would feel good! *I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking
about! *Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue, I
sure
would appreciate it. *Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax

I think Peter has identified some of the key issues involved. In the past,
similar issues have been associated with form fields converting to MS Mincho
(a Japanese font), which is equally infuriating, and I have had this happen
even outside of fields when using Ctrl+Spacebar on some characters that I
believe are (covertly) drawn from Arial Unicode MS (en and em spaces). I
don't have any Asian language enabled, either, so it is puzzling why this
happens. I know that MS (or at least some people at MS) are aware of issues
of this type because I've submitted problem documents where this sort of
thing was happening.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
Ms. Barnhill herself! WOW! Thanks for coming to my rescue. I'm honored.

I'm using a character style. Funny thing is when I simply insert a form
field its Normal Style (Arial) but if I apply the Normal Style to the form
field, it switches to MS Gothic. If I insert the field and clear the
formatting (CTRL+Spacebar) it switches to MS Gothic. This leads me to
believe that there's an underlying Font field imbeded within the document
somewhere or somehow. I even changed the Default Font by using the Font
dialog box and selecting the Default button but this doesn't fix it.

PS: I don't even have MS Gothic on this machine. MS Gothic, or whatever
it's defaulting to... is ugly!
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

Are you using a paragraph or character style? If the latter, you should
base
it on Default Paragraph Font, and you shouldn't see this issue. If it's a
paragraph style, what style is it based on?

FWIW, I've never even heard of MS Gothic.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Dax Arroway" wrote in message
...
OK, this is driving me friggen nuts! I'm hoping someone can please
help.

I have a form (Word 03) that I'm trying to use sbarnhill's SytleRef
trick
with. The Useful StyleRef tricks page is:
http://sbarnhill.mvps.org/WordFAQs/S....htm#FormField
because I want to insert a Name field (client entered) and Date field
(client entered) into the footer. So far so good. I did all of the
instructions and everything works --except-- the formatting of the form
fields turn from my Normal Style Font (Arial 10pt.) to MS Gothic and I
can't
figure out why or how to fix it.

I've tried switching the Style Type to Paragraph and it still changes
to
MS
Gothic when the style is applied to the form field. I tried deleting
it
and
reformatting it by entering Arial into the Formatting field ofthe New
Style
dialog--still MS Gothic. And it gets weirder! If I insert a form
field,
just a normal one, and apply the Normal Style to it, it changes to MS
Gothic
Font even though it was all ready Normal Style in the first place!
AAHHHH!!
Am I going crazy or what? Does anyone have any clue as to what the
heck
is
happening with this form? Where is the MS Gothic Font coming from?
It's
not
in any of my Styles or Normal.dot. Grrrrr.

Would someone kindly tell me where this might be coming from? 'Cause
I'm
about to through my monitor out the window! I know that won't fix my
problem
but it sure would feel good! I'm sure some of you know what I'm
talking
about! Anyway, if any Gurus out there could please come to my rescue,
I
sure
would appreciate it. Much much thanks in advance!
Best,
Dax
--
I would give my left hand to be ambidextrous!